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Spoilers Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - Grading & Discussion

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I would rather think that Zod, Non, and Ursa are imprisoned within the Fortress. All Superman and Lois did was knock them off into the depths of the Fortress.

Whereas in Batman V. Superman, Superman takes that guy through like two walls. When he could've used his heat vision or freeze breath to take out the guy's gun hand. It's likely he murdered that guy.
You "would rather think" are the operative words. Your prerogative but hardly conclusive. Based on what I saw on screen, murder is equally apt in each case.
 
Whereas in Batman V. Superman, Superman takes that guy through like two walls. When he could've used his heat vision or freeze breath to take out the guy's gun hand. It's likely he murdered that guy.

He kept the guy's head down.
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Well, WB has to make it's property work somehow? They can't keep pouring money into these things and deliver a piece of sh*t every time out.

They've made this one work to the tune of about 725 million dollars within the first two weeks. They're in good shape. You not liking a movie doesn't make it a failure for the studio.

Just to remind everyone yet again, Superman killed Zod and a couple of henchmen in a very deliberate and calculated manner in his own comic book back in the late 1980s. So, Supes killing people is neither new nor out of character.
 
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First I hear BvS, in order to be a success, has to gross $800 million, then later, $1 billion, and now $1.15 billion.
Are executives ever happy?
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Why-...ently-Think-Avengers-2-Was-Failure-80867.html
$1.4 billion a failure? Really?
 
Very true.

Now I'm sure somebody will swoop in any moment now with some excuse as to why it "doesn't count." That usually seems to happen whenever clear examples of Superman killing are pointed out. :rolleyes:

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I doubt it. Only a dishonest loser would come in after panels from an honest-to-God Superman comic are posted ("Not An Imaginary Story! Not A Dream! Not A Hoax!") and claim that "it doesn't count."
 
Did you even actually read the trilogy in question and the follow-up stories? I'm guessing "no," and in a major, downright embarrassing way.
 
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Common sense says they'd stop making them if they didn't think they'd profit. WB just added 2 more DC movies to their schedule. Therefore, they still think Batman v Superman, and their grand plan, is a winner.
 
I doubt it. Only a dishonest loser would come in after panels from an honest-to-God Superman comic are posted ("Not An Imaginary Story! Not A Dream! Not A Hoax!") and claim that "it doesn't count."

Oh, it does count. It very much happened. But, and there obviously is a but, since I and others have brought this up before, THERE WERE FUCKING CONSEQUENCES!!!
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Consequences which the movie because of the limitation of the medium as stand-alone features could not include, which is why doing this at all in a movie, the very first movie of a (then-potential) series was simply a stupid idea and a disservice to the complexity of the original source material.
 
First I hear BvS, in order to be a success, has to gross $800 million, then later, $1 billion, and now $1.15 billion.
Are executives ever happy?
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Why-...ently-Think-Avengers-2-Was-Failure-80867.html
$1.4 billion a failure? Really?
Yeah, the Disney execs' reaction to Age of Ultron's "failure" was pretty absurd. That same article that @Turtletrekker linked mentioned that AoU netted Disney an $853 million profit, but apparently that's not enough.
 
The author of that comic, John Byrne is a crazy right wing bigot, but the story is canon. :)

My concern is that "Zaora" there, is the last female Kryptoinian in existence.

Love/shmuv, that was possibly Kal-El's last and only chance to have a baby.

And he just kills her?

Artificial insemination, or just coming to an agreement (pun intended) where Zaora could have bought their freedom, or bargained down their sentence from an execution to life imprisonment in exchange for X number of pure blooded Kryptonian children using El spunk and signing away her parental rights.

Of course, Superboy, Zaora, Zod and Non (and the Earth, and everyone/thing on it) are fake constructs created by a baddie called the Time Trapper to give the legion of super heroes form the 30th century adventures with what appears to be a precrisis Superboy, who does not exist post crisis. Double of course, Superman did not know this, and he thought at the time that he was killing real people.

My point is that these pocket universe fakes are not biologically identical to real Kryptonians from the greater Universe, considering each of these different versions of Kyptonians "respond invertantly" to totally the different minerals called Kryptonite that are not the same rocks, they both swear are real Kryptonite.
 
Did you even actually read the trilogy in question and the follow-up stories?
Hell, not even that, just those two pages.

"You have ruthlessly murdered all the people on this planet--Five billion humans! That is a crime without equal! The Nazi Holocaust pales by comparison."

"What I must now do is harder than anything I have done before. But as the last representative of law and justice on this world, it falls to me to act as judge, jury...and executioner."


He's a cold-blooded bastard, isn't he?

To somebody who could use a course in reading comprehension, perhaps.
 
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Yeah, the Disney execs' reaction to Age of Ultron's "failure" was pretty absurd. That same article that @Turtletrekker linked mentioned that AoU netted Disney an $853 million profit, but apparently that's not enough.

This is how accounting works.

Movie A needs to make $B Profit, so they can make movie C 6 months later using a budget of $D (based on what they forecast $B is), which has to make $E profit so that they can make Movie F still 6 months even more later after that, with a Budget of $G.

The Studio is already making Making Movie F, before they find out how much profit Movie A made, if it actually turned out to have made any profit.

Yes it's a ponzy scheme, and yes it's dishonest.

But if the studios didn't work/operate like this, they could only make one movie at a time, and couldn't make their next movie until until they made all the money they could from their current movie so they know what an appropriate budget might be for their next movie.
 
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This is how accounting works.

Movie A need to make $B Profit, so they can make movie C 6 months later using a budget of $D (based on what they forecast $B is), which has to make $E profit so that they can make Movie F still 6 months even more later after that, with a Budget of $G.

The Studio is already making Making Movie F, before they find out how much profit Movie A made, if it actually turned out to have made any profit.

Yes it's a ponzy scheme, and yes it's dishonest.

But if the studios didn't work/operate like this, they could only make one movie at a time, and couldn't make their next movie until until they made all the money they could from their current movie so they know what an appropriate budget might be for their next movie.
It's worse then that - if someone involved in the production (but on the fringes IE not a big name) had a profit sharing clause in his contract based on how much 'profit' the film (say "Avengers: Age of Ultron") made; you see a report by a studio accountant indicating (even with 1.4 Billion in BO receipts worldwide) that A:AoU LOST the studio money. <--- That's how 'Hollywood finance' often works.
 
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