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Batman: Under the Red Hood

Two Batmen? Wow! That's different! It's something they've never really tried with Batman. Sure in the Silver Age sometimes they would have Batman go back in time or space or Atlantis or Mexican and have him meet their Batman counterpart but to go the Flash or GLC route with the Batman name... Bold. Well bold in a safe way. ;) They will certainly sell a lot more Batman comics that way.

Did they say if they intend to keep Dick in Gotham or will he return to Bludhaven?
 
DiDido talked to CBR about "franchising" Batman to which the interviewer asked him what he was talking about and DiDido essentially stated why can't there be TWO Batmen? They were discussing Grant Morrison's upcoming "Batman Inc." project that was announced when Dan brought it up. Ultimately I think they're going to have Dick as Batman on James Robinson's JLA book and Bruce returning to the role in "Detective Comics" and "Batman Inc." Dick will probably remain Batman in "Batman and Robin" since that is continuing after Grant leaves the title after the current arc. I don't think they want to piss off the fans that have been enjoying Dick as Batman and they realize that Bruce has to return as Batman as well.

I like that idea, and I suggested it a while ago. Heck, there are multiple Flashes and Green Lanterns at the same time, and there are plenty of other legacy characters like Blue Beetle in the DCU, so why not Batman? My thought was that Bruce could be the Batman of Gotham City and Dick could be the Batman of Bludhaven.

Or, alternatively, Dick could handle Gotham while Bruce does Justice League stuff.
 
I like the idea as well if it indeed happens. As for the Justice League...James Robinson has said on a couple of occasions that his roster won't be changing and the big seven won't be appearing. As stated in the interview I posted Grant still has big plans for Bruce as indeed Bruce has big plans for Batman when he returns.
 
Just watched the movie, I thought it was excellent. Definitely one of my favorite DCAU movies thus far. I was actually surprised by how much Greenwood sounded like Kevin Conroy sometimes.

Oh, and as a huge fan of Dick Grayson, it was great seeing him as Nightwing here. :techman: And I'd love to see him continue to serve as Batman; I think it's time that he wore the cowl on a more permanent basis. I like the idea of both him and Bruce Wayne as Batman.
 
I loved this. It was definitely the best of the DC Universe films, and in my opinion the best Batman animated film since Mask of the Phantasm. I'll just echo what everybody has said previously in this thread but almost every component to this film absolutely works -- from the voice casting to the script to the direction even to the very memorable score. Every member of the voice cast not only delivers, but really pushes the limits and firmly establishes their individual presence as their respective characters.

Agreed. I also felt like this is one of the few DC Universe movies that hasn't felt like it was missing ten minutes. Maybe that's because I haven't read any of the comics this one was based on, but with a number of the others, it just seemed like at times they were missing pieces; this felt whole and cohesive.

John DiMaggio was an awesome Joker. I really liked this take on it, both in voice and script. He's clearly insane and unpredictable, but also somehow more serious and lucid than we've seen him a lot of times in other shows and movies. He seems more dangerous this way.

It reminded me a lot of when Hamill really let loose in "Return of the Joker." That little bit at the end, when Joker is strangling Terry and he growls, "Laugh, you miserable little punk, LAUGH!" I always get a little chill.
 
One of the few complaints the movie has got from fans is that it's way too short and they want more! I'd love to see the arc with Red Hood and Scarlet from "Batman and Robin" adapted as a follow up to this film. I have a new respect for Judd Winnick now and have requested the two volumes of his original story just because I want to re-read it.
 
Dick has been fantastic as Batman and Morrison has done a terrific job of handling him and Damien. The two characters dynamic is terrific. I was thinking last night while I was re-watching this again that I wouldn't mind an animated adaption of "Batman and Son".

I don't follow comics that much. I do know that Bruce is gone and others have taken up the mantle.

I think this could make for a good DTV in the future.

Announcer- The dark knight.......GONE!

Then we follow Dick being batman and maybe end with a "to be continued"
 
Actually I'd open it like this:

Announcer: Batman Killed in Crisis! Gotham Without It's Dark Knight! Will someone step from the darkness to assume the role or will a new hero emerge?

Then cut to the Gotham sky line and the Batsignal shining in the sky and we see Batman and Robin skydiving from the Batplane and cut to Dick who says "Reports of my death have been exaggerated! Batman and Robin will never die!" Then we cut to opening credits.
 
I enjoyed this film. It was a little short, but I would rather have it that way than be long and boring. It hit all the points it needed to hit. I really liked the animation style. Liked this much better than the Public Enemies animation. Bruce Greenwood did a good job as Bats and the voice cast was pretty good all around.

I had some small issues with the warehouse crooks knowing that Nightwing was Batman's former Robin. Why would they know that? Also, not too pleased with the interpretation of Black Mask. Though I little about the Roman Sionis Black Mask, except for the stories where he tortures Stephanie Brown. I also think more could've been done with Nightwing, but it was nice to at least have the glorified cameo.

Definitely one of the better DC animated films.
 
Did anyone else get the odd feeling they were watching a 'Dark Knight' inspired reimagining of 'Mask of the Phantasm', or is it just me?
Definitely

Winnick has said that the Nolan movies were the primary source of inspiration for his adaptation.

I saw elements of the game Arkham Asylum too. Inside of Red Hood's Arkham looked very much like the the game's.
 
The crooks weren't the only ones to know that Nightwing was the first Robin...and I can buy Matches telling them for whatever reason.
 
Given that Dick wore a fairly small domino mask as both Robin and Nightwing, and given that he had the same personality in both incarnations, and given that, despite what comic books often pretend, human beings have the capability to recognize other human beings' voices, I don't think it would be that hard for people who've encountered both Robin and Nightwing to be able to tell they were the same person.

I mean, by the time Jason took over as Robin, Dick was already an adult. When a full-grown Robin is suddenly replaced by a 12-year-old kid, and at the same time a new superhero turns up who looks, sounds, and acts a lot like the old Robin, I don't think it'd be that hard to figure out what had happened.
 
Just watched it a little while ago and I thought it was excellent. It may not have been that long but at least it didn't wear out its welcome like a lot of live-action films do. In 75 minutes though, they were able to get to the heart of the story very effectively.

I thought the voice cast did a good job. It took a while for me to get use to DiMaggio's voice. I'm always expecting an over-the-top voice for Joker. But it won me over and the "glass of water" scene classic Joker.

I thought the final standoff between Batman, Jason, and Joker was amazing. Everyone knew how that was going to end of course but I was still rooting for Jason. Everything he said about the Joker is true and Batman's reasons for not killing him are insane.

Looking forward to when they eventually do Batman Year One on DVD. I hope they'll give it more than 75 minutes though.
 
They won't be increasing the time length on these unless they get a budget increase from Warner Animation which probably won't be happening any time soon. As Bruce Timm has stated...it costs them money to produce.
 
Finally saw this. It's good overall. The animation's good, sometimes reminding me of TMS's work. Excellent action choreography. The voice work is outstanding, the greatest strength here. Bruce Greenwood was an excellent Batman, though it struck me as odd that Bruce Wayne seemed to have a Western accent at times. (Doubly odd considering that Greenwood's from Canada.)

As for Jensen Ackles, I was skeptical, since I didn't care for him on Smallville and what I've seen of Supernatural. But he was startlingly excellent here, the standout of the whole cast. It was a note-perfect performance.

John DiMaggio as the Joker wasn't what I expected; I was imagining something broader and more operatic, and instead they went for a Ledgeresque, underplayed Joker. I'm not really sure how well that works for me, but he did do an excellent job at it.

Jim Piddock was good as Alfred, and the Martella brothers who played the young versions of Jason were good too, particularly the younger one, Alexander Martella (not only a strong performer, but one who sounded uncannily convincing as a younger version of Jensen Ackles). And it's always lovely to hear Kelly Hu's voice. But Jason Isaacs was a mediocre Ra's al Ghul and Wade Williams was unimpressive as Black Mask.

The main thing about the movie that didn't work for me was the writing. The story was okay overall, but Judd Winick does not seem to have a gift for dialogue, particularly not for clever or humorous dialogue. I probably would've liked DiMaggio's Joker more if he'd actually said anything genuinely funny. And Neil Patrick Harris, who should've been a standout as Nightwing, was largely wasted saying dull, obvious lines like "He's got lasers!" and "He's good." (His one really good line was the one about getting in the car, though that was more in the delivery than the words.) And there was too much expository dialogue, like Batman taking the time to explain to a two-bit crook who Amazo was, or Ra's al Ghul telling Batman what he himself had done as Bruce Wayne. The strongest dialogue was in the climax, the pivotal scene with Batman, Jason, and the Joker.

Some aspects of the story didn't work so well. Black Mask was an uninteresting character, just some loser who screamed a lot and said stupid things and punched people just to show how mean he was. A crude, unsubtle, annoying characterization. It seemed they were going for humor with him, but again, apparently humor is not something Judd Winick does well. And the whole Amazo thing was pointless. Of all the possible adversaries for Batman to face, why Amazo? Why not use a character from Batman's own rogues' gallery? An orange-skinned, pointy-eared robot that absorbs superheroes' powers just doesn't fit into a gritty, urban Batman story like this.

The music by Christopher Drake was pretty good, but I don't agree with earlier comments that it was emulating the style of the Nolan films' scores. It was rather more melodic. In the scene where the Batplane was chasing Red Hood's convertible through the tunnel, Drake was basically emulating Jerry Goldsmith. And there were a couple of points in the Batman-Jason fight leading up to the climax where the score sounded very much like the opening bars of Shirley Walker's Mask of the Phantasm main title cue.

So all in all, one of the better DC Universe movies, but alas, not because of the writing. It's not as inanely written as Public Enemies, and there's a good story at its core, but it could've had much better dialogue, and more satisfying secondary antagonists, than it did. Overall, it's the voice work that does the most to make Under the Red Hood enjoyable, followed by the animation.
 
The music by Christopher Drake was pretty good, but I don't agree with earlier comments that it was emulating the style of the Nolan films' scores. It was rather more melodic.
I mentioned earlier that it's a more melodic score than the Nolan ones. Nevertheless I think in some parts of the movie the score establishes a Nolan-esque atmosphere, even though it doesn't use the same techniques as the Nolan scores to do so. There are, however, parts of the movie that are distinctly different to Nolan's Batverse, such as the use of a super-powered villain like Amazo.
 
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