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Barclay was right about certain things in Next Generation

Barclay is trying to work through his social anxieties, live a more normal life. Is that wrong?

Working through them via counseling and perhaps medication and presumably developing coping techniques, to me, sounds less rigorous than having them 'fixed' or 'cured', much as I've developed adaptations and would be willing to speak with a therapist, but wouldn't like to just get a hypospray to remove my potential Asperger's without having any idea of how it would impact me. "You'll be happier!" is concerningly vague.
 
I know people on the spectrum that would refuse a 'cure' if it existed, as they consider it part of their identity. Perhaps Barclay is one of those.
It's hard to say whether a cure is desired, but I expect prevention would be commonplace. I believe that Federation law permits in utero genetic engineering to correct certain conditions (like Miral's deviated spine). Autism might be among them.
 
It seemed clear that Reg was carrying out violent fantasies on virtual representations of his coworkers (nowadays, anyone found clearly expressing/indulging in such desires would either be closely watched or asked to seek psychiatric aid), but...was he actually having sex with them as well? Maybe - on this subject - I am dense, but I thought he was only going to the "Goddess of Empathy" (and whatever Fake-Beverly was supposed to be) for genuine emotional support.
 
I can't remember any of Barclay's fantasies being extraordinary violent, just kinda power fantasies. He just programmed a virtual bar fight against Riker and Gordi. He didn't lock them in a torture dungeon or shot up main engineering with a phaser rifle.,
What he did was roughly the equivalent of re-creating co-workers who annoy you in the Sims and drowning them in the pool.
 
I can't remember any of Barclay's fantasies being extraordinary violent, just kinda power fantasies. He just programmed a virtual bar fight against Riker and Gordi. He didn't lock them in a torture dungeon or shot up main engineering with a phaser rifle.,
What he did was roughly the equivalent of re-creating co-workers who annoy you in the Sims and drowning them in the pool.

He did push Fake-Geordi down (which was a slightly comical sight...I think Reg was embellishing his own strength via holodeck settings) and put Fake-Riker in an arm lock (ditto); not the worst of the worst when it comes to retributive fantasies, but it still counts as violence.
 
He did push Fake-Geordi down (which was a slightly comical sight...I think Reg was embellishing his own strength via holodeck settings) and put Fake-Riker in an arm lock (ditto); not the worst of the worst when it comes to retributive fantasies, but it still counts as violence.

Not saying it's not violence, but
1) it's completely fictional violence, which does not automatically translate into an actual desire, let alone readiness to re-create it in reality.
2)it's not the type of fictional violence that should land him on a watch list or stuff like that

Like a lot of people might indulge in thoughts like that against people who continuously annoy them, me too, doesn't mean I really want to hurt people.
 
Not saying it's not violence, but
1) it's completely fictional violence, which does not automatically translate into an actual desire, let alone readiness to re-create it in reality.
2)it's not the type of fictional violence that should land him on a watch list or stuff like that

Like a lot of people might indulge in thoughts like that against people who continuously annoy them, me too, doesn't mean I really want to hurt people.

I contest that there's a difference between a stray thought (e.g., "I wish I could punch that smug guy in the face.") and setting up a dummy decorated with that same man's likeness and treating the resultant effigy as a means of venting frustration; the effort it takes to construct a scenario in the holodeck and then spend a significant amount of one's free time living out that scenario is a step above momentarily thinking of a punishment. You know, this reminds of a Voyager episode where B'elanna landed in hot water because of a semi-violent thought she had while visiting a planet of telepaths.
 
I contest that there's a difference between a stray thought (e.g., "I wish I could punch that smug guy in the face.") and setting up a dummy decorated with that same man's likeness and treating the resultant effigy as a means of venting frustration; the effort it takes to construct a scenario in the holodeck and then spend a significant amount of one's free time living out that scenario is a step above momentarily thinking of a punishment. You know, this reminds of a Voyager episode where B'elanna landed in hot water because of a semi-violent thought she had while visiting a planet of telepaths.

I get what you are saying, though I'd also say it depends somewhat on how much effort it actually was to set up the scenario. The writing quality sure was on a level of what a high-school kid might scribble in a notebook during lunch break.
I'd also still argue that it was more a power fantasy that was more about Barclay imagening himself as a roguish though guy (hence the bar fight) and being (his, somewhat infantile idea of) a big man in-front of Troi than about hurting Riker or Geordi.
 
I'm not sure, objectively, the 'violence' was any worse than modding a VR game to make your enemies resemble people you know...and depending on the game, the violence there could be a lot worse than what we observed (it wasn't torture porn or such). There've been times when I might not have minded being able to create the likeness of someone I knew and punch them in the face a few times...not to actually hurt them or such, but because they'd upset me and I wanted an ultimately non-harmful outlet for my emotions. I don't know whether I would have gone so far as to design such a scenario, but then, we don't currently have the technology to readily do that (or at least, I don't have the tech or proficiency with said tech).

I'd find any intimacy with the likenesses a bit more disturbing and potentially illegal, though again, not necessarily indicative of any intention of turning said thoughts into practice. We've all fantasized about people we knew with no serious thoughts of it ever going anywhere.
 
I get what you are saying, though I'd also say it depends somewhat on how much effort it actually was to set up the scenario. The writing quality sure was on a level of what a high-school kid might scribble in a notebook during lunch break.
I'd also still argue that it was more a power fantasy that was more about Barclay imagening himself as a roguish though guy (hence the bar fight) and being (his, somewhat infantile idea of) a big man in-front of Troi than about hurting Riker or Geordi.

Can we at least agree that it was a benefit to Reg that he was discovered? After all, he got the counseling he needed and learned that it wasn't healthy to deal with real problems with real people by retreating into the holodeck. If his situation had worsened, it's possible that his fantasy scenarios could have...intensified.

'violence'

Despite this being a time in our history when mass shootings are frequent in the United States and every other act of aggression seems to pale in comparison, yeah, the term is readily applicable; those acts against the lifelike holographic representations are still acts of violence. The apostrophes are entirely unnecessary.
 
It's actually pretty farfetched that only three of the thirty or so Maquis were unable to conform to Starfleet norms.

Actually, a good number of the Maquis had problems conforming to Starfleet norms during the first season.
 
Or it's Barclay fantasizing with no intention of committing such acts in the real world.

Fairly sure that if we had a holodeck today that was easy to instruct ('create a scenario based on this recording of my working place and these data files of my colleagues') many would vent off their working life frustrations in that manner, without the intention of ever doing it in real life.

(well, at least if privacy rules regarding using records of people wouldn't stand in its way).
 
Actually, a good number of the Maquis had problems conforming to Starfleet norms during the first season.
During the first season. But they all fell into line after that, aside from Jonas (traitor) and Suder (killed a guy). They didn't even want to leave the ship after a year.
 
Wouldn't that be fixed/cured by the twenty-fourth century? Same deal with Geordi's blindness.

Not if you accept the growing views of neurodiversity movement, that the whole phenomenon of neurologies that diverge from the neurotypical "baseline" (whatever that's supposed to be) is just a normal expression of human biological diversity, and not to be pathologized as "diseases" that need to be "cured" or "fixed." I've gone on at length about this elsewhere. This is the one type of human diversity that people seem to be very slow about accepting as such.

Kor
 
I can't imagine a fencing 3 Musketeers program being used without he stabbed some of those mockups rather frequently. There's definitely an unhealthy slant to do harm represented imho, even if he'd never act on it. It's still a real feeling experience we're talking about here. He stabs those dudes.

& the exchange with holo-Troi after he manhandles Riker seems to be loaded with sex fantasy I have to assume goes further too. Every indication suggests these examples like rubdowns from Crusher are tips of icebergs
 
& the exchange with holo-Troi after he manhandles Riker seems to be loaded with sex fantasy I have to assume goes further too. Every indication suggests these examples like rubdowns from Crusher are tips of icebergs

In other words, it was implied?
 
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