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Bar Exam Advice

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I know there are a lot of lawyers here, so I'm throwing this question out to the wisdom of the BBS.

I just finished law school. (Graduation is on Saturday, but I'm all done with finals. It's a great feeling!) So, the next step in life is the bar exam.

I'll be working full-time while studying for the bar. I know most people recommend against that, but I don't really have a choice, financially speaking. It's a predictable 40 hour job with no overtime, and I'm home by 5 every night.

I've decided not to take Bar-Bri because I don't really learn from sitting in a lecture hall being talked at. I bought the books off of eBay, and I'm going to study on my own.

What advice do the bar exam survivors have? (I'm taking the California bar.)
 
My MiL's advice- Don't! :lol: (yes, she's a lawyer. She hitchhiker her way to law school graduation!)

Seriously, best of luck on the bar exam!
 
I have heard, but do not have the experience, of people taking it over and over just paying the bar exam fee over and over till they pass, have you heard that?
 
I did not take Barbri either and passed it on the first try. Be careful though, much of the bar will be on state law and Cal is not exactly in sync with the rest of the nation. Make sure the study materials you got were Cal specific.

Best advice...check into a hotle near the site a couple days before. Turn off your phone, facebook, and ignore your email. Get a good night of sleep. Don't stress yourself out too much...that will kill you quicker than anything.

-Andrew
 
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Bar-bri substantive law lectures are "fill in the blanks" in the workbook. If you have the Bar-bri workbook and it's not filled-in, either you have to fill it in somehow or it's far less useful. It WILL give you their organizational outlines and a good gist of what they're saying.

Not-so-quick and dirty then:

Provided you can get that info and make outlines--or you're working from your class outlines--I'd say study those straight through to ensure you understand every single concept. Don't worry too hard about memorizing yet; pick up the easy stuff. That's 1 subject a day--2 if they're the short ones (agency, partnership, corps).

Interspearse mbe questions throughout this. Follow Bar-bri's schedule on outlining essay answers at first, without actually completing the essays.

After you've finished the subjects, start again, focusing on memorizing and organizing the information. Example: Bar-bri contracts has applicable law, formation, terms, performance, remedies, excuses, third parties. Everything on a contracts question falls into one of those categories--deal with things in that order. PR has five main categories; every PR question must fit under one of those--and usually more than one. You KNOW PR will be on the test, and Duty of Loyalty is pretty much always there.

Continue with the MBEs and do at least one essay for each subject, timing them at some point to make sure you're done in an hour. Also, read the information regarding the various types of PT questions you might get.

By now, you're near the end of June. You should be doing timed essays now--but the Bar-Bri ones more than 5 years old are fairly worthless, I think. They phrasings are not current--print and use Cal Bar questions from the last 5-6 years. When reviewing the posted answers, note that while they look different, they're covering the same ground. One answer may take one track on an this-or-that and the other took the other track. That's what they mean by "there's more than one way to answer." See that they hit the same subject and usually the same issues, though how they handle them may differ. Note that there's ALWAYS application, though style may differ.

You should also be doing a half-day timed MBE test by now, to check your timing and ability. If you can't get through all 100 questions in 3 hours, you're taking too long. You also need to start doing PT's. READ THE INSTRUCTIONS!!! They tell you exactly what they want you to do--and what you don't have to do.

By the first week of July, you should be doing 3 essays in the morning and a PT in the afternoon at least twice a week. Keep up on the MBE's and general review of material you have problems with.

When people say, "If you don't know the law, make it up and apply that," they mean, for example, if the question is on general or limited partnership and you can't remember which is which, JUST ASSIGN A DEFINITION and apply it. Even if it's the wrong one, just pick one and keep going.

Watch out for fatigue and madness. In late June, you'll be freaking out ("I can't do this!" etc). Totally normal. You'll get through it, just keep going, regardless of how you feel.

As for the actual exam, you can't take a backpack in, or a phone. Leave those in your hotel room--WHICH BETTER BE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET! Traffic will screw you up if you have to drive. Take pens, pencils, erasers, rolaids/tums, highlighters, a non-ticking watch, etc.

If someone is going with you, have them get your lunch; if not, have it in your room. 1000 people seeking food at the same time is outrageous. If you can afford it, go to a local eatery at night. Discuss the test only as much as you like--if you're getting nervous, DON'T DISCUSS IT.

Keep me posted on how you're doing.

Gotta go for now.
 
When people say, "If you don't know the law, make it up and apply that," they mean, for example, if the question is on general or limited partnership and you can't remember which is which, JUST ASSIGN A DEFINITION and apply it. Even if it's the wrong one, just pick one and keep going.

that is out and out cheating just by the very "definition" of cheating :)
 
When people say, "If you don't know the law, make it up and apply that," they mean, for example, if the question is on general or limited partnership and you can't remember which is which, JUST ASSIGN A DEFINITION and apply it. Even if it's the wrong one, just pick one and keep going.

that is out and out cheating just by the very "definition" of cheating :)

Nah .... they want to know if you can apply the law, whatever the law is. IRL, you’d look it up anyway because you need to cite the statute number or case name.
 
When people say, "If you don't know the law, make it up and apply that," they mean, for example, if the question is on general or limited partnership and you can't remember which is which, JUST ASSIGN A DEFINITION and apply it. Even if it's the wrong one, just pick one and keep going.

that is out and out cheating just by the very "definition" of cheating :)

Nah .... they want to know if you can apply the law, whatever the law is. IRL, you’d look it up anyway because you need to cite the statute number or case name.

fail my joke totally failed LOL
 
No, you had a smiley face--I knew you weren’t serious. I’m just literal. Too much law school.

Tonight my school had a little reception for the February Bar-passers who wanted to celebrate. I like to go to see those I know who passed and celebrate with them. Good news is always something to celebrate, and the relief on their faces is wonderful to see.
 
I know there are a lot of lawyers here, so I'm throwing this question out to the wisdom of the BBS.

I just finished law school. (Graduation is on Saturday, but I'm all done with finals. It's a great feeling!) So, the next step in life is the bar exam.

I'll be working full-time while studying for the bar. I know most people recommend against that, but I don't really have a choice, financially speaking. It's a predictable 40 hour job with no overtime, and I'm home by 5 every night.

I've decided not to take Bar-Bri because I don't really learn from sitting in a lecture hall being talked at. I bought the books off of eBay, and I'm going to study on my own.

What advice do the bar exam survivors have? (I'm taking the California bar.)

You are making a big mistake not taking bar bri. They train you how to take the essays and the multi state. Can you take it at night or weekends?

Is there a way for you to cut down on work to part time? You really need to treat studying as a full time job. You have really stacked the deck against you on this by working full time AND not taking bar bri. Im not saying you are going to fail, but you're not mking it any easier.

This test is a killer. Take it from someone who has taken two and passed both. It's not easy and needs a commitment to the study.
 
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Bar-bri substantive law lectures are "fill in the blanks" in the workbook. If you have the Bar-bri workbook and it's not filled-in, either you have to fill it in somehow or it's far less useful. It WILL give you their organizational outlines and a good gist of what they're saying.

Not-so-quick and dirty then:

Provided you can get that info and make outlines--or you're working from your class outlines--I'd say study those straight through to ensure you understand every single concept. Don't worry too hard about memorizing yet; pick up the easy stuff. That's 1 subject a day--2 if they're the short ones (agency, partnership, corps).

Interspearse mbe questions throughout this. Follow Bar-bri's schedule on outlining essay answers at first, without actually completing the essays.

After you've finished the subjects, start again, focusing on memorizing and organizing the information. Example: Bar-bri contracts has applicable law, formation, terms, performance, remedies, excuses, third parties. Everything on a contracts question falls into one of those categories--deal with things in that order. PR has five main categories; every PR question must fit under one of those--and usually more than one. You KNOW PR will be on the test, and Duty of Loyalty is pretty much always there.

Continue with the MBEs and do at least one essay for each subject, timing them at some point to make sure you're done in an hour. Also, read the information regarding the various types of PT questions you might get.

By now, you're near the end of June. You should be doing timed essays now--but the Bar-Bri ones more than 5 years old are fairly worthless, I think. They phrasings are not current--print and use Cal Bar questions from the last 5-6 years. When reviewing the posted answers, note that while they look different, they're covering the same ground. One answer may take one track on an this-or-that and the other took the other track. That's what they mean by "there's more than one way to answer." See that they hit the same subject and usually the same issues, though how they handle them may differ. Note that there's ALWAYS application, though style may differ.

You should also be doing a half-day timed MBE test by now, to check your timing and ability. If you can't get through all 100 questions in 3 hours, you're taking too long. You also need to start doing PT's. READ THE INSTRUCTIONS!!! They tell you exactly what they want you to do--and what you don't have to do.

By the first week of July, you should be doing 3 essays in the morning and a PT in the afternoon at least twice a week. Keep up on the MBE's and general review of material you have problems with.

When people say, "If you don't know the law, make it up and apply that," they mean, for example, if the question is on general or limited partnership and you can't remember which is which, JUST ASSIGN A DEFINITION and apply it. Even if it's the wrong one, just pick one and keep going.

Watch out for fatigue and madness. In late June, you'll be freaking out ("I can't do this!" etc). Totally normal. You'll get through it, just keep going, regardless of how you feel.

As for the actual exam, you can't take a backpack in, or a phone. Leave those in your hotel room--WHICH BETTER BE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET! Traffic will screw you up if you have to drive. Take pens, pencils, erasers, rolaids/tums, highlighters, a non-ticking watch, etc.

If someone is going with you, have them get your lunch; if not, have it in your room. 1000 people seeking food at the same time is outrageous. If you can afford it, go to a local eatery at night. Discuss the test only as much as you like--if you're getting nervous, DON'T DISCUSS IT.

Keep me posted on how you're doing.

Gotta go for now.

This xcept don't use your class notes. They won't help.
 
You are making a big mistake not taking bar bri. They train you how to take the essays and the multi state. Can you take it at night or weekends?

What can I get from the class that I can't get from the books? I have a full set of bar-bri books with filled in blanks.

Is there a way for you to cut down on work to part time? You really need to treat studying as a full time job. You have really stacked the deck against you on this by working full time AND not taking bar bri. Im not saying you are going to fail, but you're not mking it any easier.
Unfortunately, I can't cut down on my work. I'm barely able to pay my bills as it is, and I live extremely frugally. Fortunately, I have good time-management skills. I managed to get through law school while working full-time (75 hrs per week my 1L year) and I was on law review. I'm hoping those same time management skills will make up for having fewer hours per day to study. I'm still going to spend 4-5 hours per day during the week and all day Saturday studying.
 
Ah, the books are filled in, then? Make your outlines from them and follow what I posted. It's likely your best bet, though not getting the time for 3 hours straight, then a break, then 3hours straight is not going to let you test and build your endurance.

Romeo's right. Very difficult to pass if working full-time but maybe you'll be the exception.
 
Don't forget to eat between working and studying, and schedule in time to sleep. I've watched too many people forget basic nutrition and rest, and just pass out come exam time. (Or miss entire pages, write in "do not write here" areas, etc.)

No advice on the test itself, I barely made it through the LSAT. Good luck! :)
 
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