Bajorans - yay or nay

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Deep Space Nine' started by DevilEyes, Apr 15, 2010.


Bajorans - do you like them or not?

  1. Bajorans are great, a very well developed race/culture, I enjoyed plots that focused on them

  2. Bajorans are dull/annoying, I hated plots that focused on them

  3. They are so-so, I have no strong feelings on the matter

  1. Too Much Fun

    Too Much Fun Commodore Commodore

    Feb 19, 2009
    Navaros, if memory serves, you and I have disagreed vehemently and felt exactly the opposite about certain things ("Star Trek: First Contact"?), but I think you are spot-on here. Well-put.
  2. TerokNor

    TerokNor Captain Captain

    Mar 26, 2010
    I very much like your interpretations Nerys Ghemor. Sound logical.

  3. Nerys Ghemor

    Nerys Ghemor Vice Admiral Admiral

    Aug 4, 2008
    Cardăsa Terăm--Nerys Ghemor
    In the end, of course, it's speculation, but it makes sense to me and that's enough. ;)
  4. Nardpuncher

    Nardpuncher Rear Admiral

    Nov 17, 2003
    The episodes that focused on Bajor too much felt like sitting in church when I was growing up.
  5. flemm

    flemm Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    May 8, 2009
    They went out of their way to make Kira largely unsympathetic in the early going, and to judge by the common complaints about how grating she is in the opening season, they seem to have succeeded. She is traumatized and angry, often in an irrational manner. Some will find her overall situation to be compelling, others will just be repulsed by her behavior and demeanor.

    Not coincidently the two opinions that you normally see regarding Kira in particular are either disgust and irritation or empathy and interest. Since that kind of tension is exactly what the writers were going for when they wrote the character as wounded, high-strung, angry and yet vulnerable, I see little evidence of a failure on their part in this thread.

    In contrast to what had been done on TNG, Kira is a character written for people to react negatively to, at least initially. It worked. Most of what applies to Kira in this context applies to the Bajorans overall. Some viewers may end up sympathizing with them, but they are often presented in a rather unsympathetic light, sometimes as fanatics, sometimes as scheming politicians, sometimes as terrorists. It's not surprising that people have mixed feelings about these characters, since they are portrayed in such a way as to make it difficult not to have mixed feelings about them.

    People whining about woeful experiences they have had is a pretty common form of entertainment in one form or another. Duet, for example, is a widely admired episode. Lots of people like it. Either it's not incessant whining, or that incessant whining is indeed entertaining for many.

    As for my personal opinion on the Bajorans, I'm in the "meh" category. I enjoy the political and religious themes of the Bajoran-centric episodes of DS9, and Kira is easily one of the best characters in Trek as far as the depth of her story arc is concerned. On the other hand, I can't escape the feeling that the Bajorans should be more interesting as a race than they actually ever end up being.

    It's true that the variety of different personality types is an improvement over the standard Trek caricature races, but there is a fine line: granted, an alien race would likely be as diverse as humanity, but surely they would be different in some fundamental way as well?

    Bajorans just strike me in the end as basically humans with nose ridges and a tendency to be religious. It's a bit thin, considering how much we see of them. The echos of ancient Bajoran civilisation were intriguing, especially the early development of interstellar travel, but this didn't end up receiving much attention.
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2010
  6. Ra'min

    Ra'min Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Mar 7, 2010
    I'd rather have the vulcans being British, especially after seing enterprise. And USA being "humans". Federation being NATO.

    On some aspects, the Federation reminds me of the european union in the real world.
    It's strong inside and people are proud of belonging to it, because it is firmly attached to humanist values.
    And it's weak outside, because it tends to act as if the rest of the world/galaxy shared those values.
  7. DevilEyes

    DevilEyes Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jun 9, 2009
    basking in the warmth of the Fire Caves
    Damn, why didn't anyone take me to that church? I always miss out on the good stuff. :shifty: