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Aviation Geeks unite?! Anybody else care about planes here?

What's your level of interest in aviation?!


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That's great! Those RAF crews always look so formal, wearing their peaked caps till they get inside the aircraft. I suppose they had somewhere to hang them once they got aboard?

I think they used to name the A-7 Corsair "SLUFF", Short Little Ugly Fat Fella.

Yeah, "fella"...
 
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The Sikorski HH-52 was the Coast Guard's main rescue helo for decades, saved a lot of lives. Whenever I see a picture of this aircraft I always remember an episode of Charlie's Angels when I was a kid. A helicopter was coming to the rescue, and the pilot was giving instructions or warnings or something, over a PA system. And they did a closeup of the turbine intake like it was a loudspeaker with sound coming out of it! You better believe I told my parents how dumb that was. But to be fair it does look like a speaker horn.
 
Lyndon Johnson used a helicopter extensively in his 1948 senate campaign, which allowed him to hit widely-spread towns in rural Texas in reasonable time, and attracted crowds from the sheer novelty of the new machines. He first used a Sikorsky S-51, and when that went in for overhaul switched to a Bell 47. Note loudspeakers; sometimes if they saw a group on the ground they would circle and Johnson would give them a little speech from above.

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An article on the campaign.

An interesting interview with the Sikorsky pilot (PDF).
 
stories starting to appear in the media that Boeing is ceasing production on the 747 in about 2 years (basically filling current orders and that's it).

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/top...-jet-bloomberg-news/ar-BB16gAcV?ocid=msedgdhp

the last fuselage for the A380 was transported to the assembly facilities in mid-June.

so at 60 odd years starting with the 707 large scale production of 4 engine jetliners will come to an come to an end (not sure if they are being produced in China or Russia.

QANTAS, KlLM and several other airlines have permanently grounded their 747s and sending them for scrapping.

even A380s are being broken up after barely 10 years.

the impact of covid-19 and operating cost have hastened the demise.

even some of the 777s are going with delta replacing them with the more efficient A350s.
 
so at 60 odd years starting with the 707 large scale production of 4 engine jetliners will come to an come to an end (not sure if they are being produced in China or Russia.

Well, we knew it would end some day. Googling says that the Il-96-400M is still planned, though of course on a much smaller scale than Boeing or Airbus. It wouldn't surprise me at all if that never happens. either.

On the small side of four engines: As president LBJ liked to use a VC-140B to fly home to Texas; they could use the 6200' private airstrip there and taxi up to within a short walk of the ranch house. These aircraft were nicknamed "Air Force One-Half."

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What I just found out was that Vice President Agnew had a Jetstar dedicated for his own use, with a zig-zag paint scheme variation. Note the old-style VP seal with the droopy eagle wings.
https://www.airhistory.net/photo/13938/61-2493/12493
 
Well, we knew it would end some day. Googling says that the Il-96-400M is still planned, though of course on a much smaller scale than Boeing or Airbus. It wouldn't surprise me at all if that never happens. either.

The IL-96 was the one I was thinking of.

Wiki says only 30 of them have been built. Looking at the specs and range I'd it would be similar to the A340 and is of a similar vintage.

The 400M prototype had airframe assembly completed in January and completion of the aircraft is expected by year's end with a test flight next year (courtesy of wiki). Of course covid-19 might have nixed that plan.

But you're probably right - it's unlikely to go ahead. the four engines aren't cost effective anymore and plus they're updating a 30yr old design as opposed to a new design which could take advantage of technological advances.
 
Like there aren’t enough twinjets up there as it is.

If that is all to look forward to—maybe the Greens can kill them in favor of airships.

Bloody sick of twinjets
 
Yeah.. that was quite a dissaster..

Is it a boat? Is it a plane? NO! its is an Ekranoplan!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lun-class_ekranoplan


OMG I love those....... Ground effect vehicles supposedly they'd be good for moving cargo but the idea just didn't "take off" :) I just love the concept. Works over land too I think.


I love old fashioned planes like the Lockheed Lightning and Mitchell Bomber. Both totally different aircraft but I just like the design of both.

How big can a passenger plane get and still fly well?
 
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There is this page at NASA Spaceflight.com (hobby page) forum that shows animation of the Tupelo’s OOS concept.

It makes Stratolaunch look tiny.

Time for sad ship news— the Wasp class Bonhomme Richard is burning
 
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Microsoft will be releasing their new version of Flight Simulator next month starting of a $US59.99 for the entry level version and there are two additional versions.

Basically the more you pay, the more you you get in terms of the extra plane and extra airports. The base comes with 20 aircraft and 30 airports, jump up a level for deluxe and you get an extra 5 of each. The Premium Deluxe has an extra 10 each (but doesn't say if that's 10 over premium or 5 over the mid-tier and 10 over the entry level).

The links don't say what the planes but wikipedia does but there's no breakdown on which will be in each version and it's not a full list.

My computer just squeaks in the minimum requirements list.

https://betanews.com/2020/07/13/microsoft-flight-simulator
https://en.wik/wiki/Microsoft_Flight_Simulator_(2020_video_game)#Included_Aircraft
 
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when I was young, our home was in a valley near one local airport and probably at least one grass strip. I would see quicksilvers and their clones flying overhead often. I think ultralight flying was in its peak of popularity then. They would sometimes fly so low I could yell up at them and motion them to wave their wings, from the back yard and they would.

The only real contact with local flyers came one day when a hot air balloon had to put down in the field adjoining ours one late summer day. They'd been part of a 30+ ballooning event, part of a contest to land a sandbag near a target dropped by a lead balloon. Was never sure why they had to ditch on the steep hillside, but the chase crew were on hand in minutes and no one needed, or indeed wanted my offered help :D
 
British Airways has called time on it's 747 fleet withrawing all jumbos from service as of today rather than waiting for 2024 are originally planned.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...ish-airways-bids-farewell-to-boeing-747s.html

BA is also calling on the U.K government to introduce a scrappage plan to encourage airlines to get rid of older aircraft and replacement with more fuel efficient models but that's basically another tax payer bailout for the airline industry

Though the airlines probably won't be getting as much scrap value out of the old aircraft. Normally they're parted out than the airframe is broken up and recycled. Engines would got for millions and landing gear would also feature a nice price but between the sudden influx of surplus aircraft and the models going out of service those prices will be reduced.

Hope Rolls Royce had made it's money back on the Trent 900s on the A380s as they are going to start coming back and there's no second hand market for those (A380 owners leased the engines with RR taking responsibly for upgrades etc).
 
British Airways has called time on it's 747 fleet withrawing all jumbos from service as of today rather than waiting for 2024 are originally planned.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...ish-airways-bids-farewell-to-boeing-747s.html

BA is also calling on the U.K government to introduce a scrappage plan to encourage airlines to get rid of older aircraft and replacement with more fuel efficient models but that's basically another tax payer bailout for the airline industry

Though the airlines probably won't be getting as much scrap value out of the old aircraft. Normally they're parted out than the airframe is broken up and recycled. Engines would got for millions and landing gear would also feature a nice price but between the sudden influx of surplus aircraft and the models going out of service those prices will be reduced.

Hope Rolls Royce had made it's money back on the Trent 900s on the A380s as they are going to start coming back and there's no second hand market for those (A380 owners leased the engines with RR taking responsibly for upgrades etc).



What about all the electronics and other internal parts that could be usable that would be worth it to other airlines in some fashion wouldn't it?
 
FWIW, looks like Boeing will cease producing the 747 in 2022 when it has completed the planes currently on order.

I grew up a few miles from the plant that makes them in Everett, WA and was lucky enough tot have taken the factory tour once. Very impressive plane and facility all around.
 
FWIW, looks like Boeing will cease producing the 747 in 2022 when it has completed the planes currently on order.

I grew up a few miles from the plant that makes them in Everett, WA and was lucky enough tot have taken the factory tour once. Very impressive plane and facility all around.

On one hand I wouldn't be suprised if those orders got cancelled and the production wound up early but then knowing that there can be a very long on orders for new aircraft the airlines might not have any choice to but to take the 747s.
 
I guess a good bunch of 747's will continue to fly as cargo aircraft, can't remember where I've seen or read about that but seems the 747 is quite popular in that respect.
parting out aircraft is a lucrative business as well of course.
 
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