Spoilers Avengers: Infinity War grade and discussion thread

[Kemaiku]

He had no idea where the Soul stone was, little to go on about the exact powers of the Mind stone in Vision, found out about both him and the Time stone suddenly coming back into play, and that Xandar and Asgard protected the Power and Space stones.

His Order found out enough about Vision not being protected by the Avengers and the Sanctorum/Dormamu thing, Nebula slipped up, Asgard went boom all within a very short time. He wiped out Xandar en route to hijacking the Asgardian refugees to get those first two stones within hours/a day or two to make sure he could get the rest as fast as possible. I imagine Nowhere put up the least resistance outside of the refugees.

It was a number of them suddenly becoming vunerable in a convenient window.

 

[LJones41]

He waited until Asgard had been destroyed, Ego was dead, the Ancient One was dead and Odin was dead.

IE, all major obstacles were eliminated.

Thanos began searching for the Infinity Stones long before the deaths of Odin and Ego. He already had the Mind Stone before he gave it Loki, between "Thor" and "The Avengers". He had already tried using Loki to invade Earth and retrieve the Space Stone. He tried using Ronan to get the Power Stone. And when the latter tried to use the Power Stone to destroy Xandar, I don't recall Odin or Ego making any effort to stop him. It makes no sense for him to wait until the deaths of those two to suddenly be able to collect all of the stones in such a short space of time.

We've no idea where the planet the Orb was found on is, nor where the soul stone planet is, nor where the mind stone was originally found and the Aether was hidden in a different dimension.

At least Thanos and Ronan seemed to know that the Power Stone was on Morag.

 

[Kemaiku]

Ego wanted the biological mass of all life in the universe to be consumed and converted to his own needs. I imagine he'd be supremely pissed that some self entitled purple skinhead wiped half of it out.

 

[LJones41]

Ego wanted the biological mass of all life in the universe to be consumed and converted to his own needs. I imagine he'd be supremely pissed that some self entitled purple skinhead wiped half of it out.

Okay. But what does Ego have to do with the Infinity Stones? I don't recall him stepping up when Thanos tried to use Loki to invade Earth or when Ronan tried to use the Power Stone to destroy Xandar.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Thanos began searching for the Infinity Stones long before the deaths of Odin and Ego. He already had the Mind Stone before he gave it Loki, between "Thor" and "The Avengers". He had already tried using Loki to invade Earth and retrieve the Space Stone. He tried using Ronan to get the Power Stone. And when the latter tried to use the Power Stone to destroy Xandar, I don't recall Odin or Ego making any effort to stop him. It makes no sense for him to wait until the deaths of those two to suddenly be able to collect all of the stones in such a short space of time.

He used underlings to try to bring the stones to himself gradually and cautiously, and it was implied that the Nova Corps and the Asgardians considered him their enemy and were powerful enough to cause him problems if they were to go to all-out war with him, which is presumably part of why he was so cautious. So when all his underlings failed, he changed his tactics ('I'll do it myself') and decided to focus for a while on figuring out where all the stones were so he could blitz his plan into place before anyone could stop him. He put this plan into motion when he realized that he could find the soul stone and that his enemies had been weakened - first he took advantage of Asgard's distraction to take Nidavellir and get the gauntlet made (in secret of course). Then, before anyone found out, he smashed Xandar with everything he had because they were his biggest enemy left standing, then with the added strength of the powerstone, steamrolled over what was left of Asgard for the space stone before finally dispatching his lieutenants to take the stones from Earth (because humans weren't supposed to be a big enough issue to be a problem) while he personally forced Gamora to lead him to the soul stone. And then, when his lieutenants failed again, he came back and personally defeated all the humans to complete his plan.

At least Thanos and Ronan seemed to know that the Power Stone was on Morag.

Look at the context of that statement. The point is that we have no idea where 'Morag' (or the soul stone planet) is specifically in relative position to Earth, so it is wrong to claim (as a poster did) that all the stones were found close together.

Are marvel limited to the Milky Way or does it span the whole universe? If it’s just the galaxy, the six stones being found is not so Believable.

According to the internet, Xandar is in the Andromeda galaxy.

 

[Kemaiku]

When they do the zoomout in Thor, it looks more like a cluster of 9 principle galaxies (possibly with more scattered about inside the large structure). So maybe one planet of each was assigned as a pre-set on the early Bifrost to make navigation easier. The original 9 realms being a sentimental part of Asgards past that was passed to Earth legend.

 

[Paul Weaver]

Andromeda is basically the Milky Way. The chances of just 2 stones in the same local group is 1 billion to one. At least.

 

[Anwar]

Thanos began searching for the Infinity Stones long before the deaths of Odin and Ego.

Searching, yes. Attacking the Dwarves to get them to make the Gauntlet and then going after the Asgardians to get the Space Stone and then coming himself to Earth...no.

 

[Butters]

Maybe they weren’t separated during the inflation phase of the early universe, and remained stuck together, which explains why they’re so close together, cosmically.

The fact that they were found at all, and not pulled to the core of some forming star or planet is more amazing.

 

[Captrek]

He waited until Asgard had been destroyed, Ego was dead, the Ancient One was dead and Odin was dead.

IE, all major obstacles were eliminated.

Don’t forget Charlie Spencer. He would have kicked Thanos’s ass.

 

[Kemaiku]

Maybe they weren’t separated during the inflation phase of the early universe, and remained stuck together, which explains why they’re so close together, cosmically.

The fact that they were found at all, and not pulled to the core of some forming star or planet is more amazing.

Weren't they picked up as raw rocks and forged into the gems by the Eternals? The Collectors little animations showed them tumbling through space together as rougher stones, then a mural of a forge with cut gems inside.

Someone has always been trying to keep them fairly close by, probably millions of years before Thanos was born.

 

[Anwar]

Are marvel limited to the Milky Way or does it span the whole universe? If it’s just the galaxy, the six stones being found is not so Believable.

It spans multiple Galaxies. The 9 Realms mentioned in Thor are 9 worlds in 9 different Galaxies. Most of Guardians is in another Galaxy IIRC.

 

[Noname Given]

Thanos began searching for the Infinity Stones long before the deaths of Odin and Ego. He already had the Mind Stone before he gave it Loki, between "Thor" and "The Avengers". He had already tried using Loki to invade Earth and retrieve the Space Stone. He tried using Ronan to get the Power Stone. And when the latter tried to use the Power Stone to destroy Xandar, I don't recall Odin or Ego making any effort to stop him. It makes no sense for him to wait until the deaths of those two to suddenly be able to collect all of the stones in such a short space of time.



At least Thanos and Ronan seemed to know that the Power Stone was on Morag.

You saw Thanos say it at the end of "Avengers II: Age of Ultron":

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Like some others have speculated, up to that point, Thanos was trying to do it under the Radar as it were using various minions to get what he wanted. Why? Again, as others have said there are PLENTY of God-like beings and higher Civilizations that might jump in to stop him if he himself is directly scene going for these stones and openly attacking various worlds.

I'd say by the end of Avengers II - Thanos was aware of where the Soul Stone was (IE integrated into the Vision); HAD already tried and failed in using other means to more secretly obtain the Stones, and finally was at the point where he was ready to make his move Himself.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

You saw Thanos say it at the end of "Avengers II: Age of Ultron":

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Like some others have speculated, up to that point, Thanos was trying to do it under the Radar as it were using various minions to get what he wanted. Why? Again, as others have said there are PLENTY of God-like beings and higher Civilizations that might jump in to stop him if he himself is directly scene going for these stones and openly attacking various worlds.

I'd say by the end of Avengers II - Thanos was aware of where the Soul Stone was (IE integrated into the Vision); HAD already tried and failed in using other means to more secretly obtain the Stones, and finally was at the point where he was ready to make his move Himself.

That's the mind stone. Soul stone was on the planet Gamora discovered but didn't tell anyone about until IW.

 

[LJones41]

He used underlings to try to bring the stones to himself gradually and cautiously, and it was implied that the Nova Corps and the Asgardians considered him their enemy and were powerful enough to cause him problems if they were to go to all-out war with him, which is presumably part of why he was so cautious.

Why do I find this hard to believe? If it were not for Star-Lord's plan, Xandar would have been easily defeated by Ronan . . . even before he had the chance to use the Power Stone to destroy it. And now, I'm expected to believe that Thanos had waited four years to go after the Power Stone because the Xandarians were powerful enough to cause him trouble?

How did he learn about the locations of the Infinity stones so easily - with the exception of the Mind Stone? When did Gamora search for the Mind Stone? And if she did so after the events of "Guardians of the Galaxy", why did she bother? And if she did so before the events of the 2014 movie, why did she bother to inform Nebula about her discovery?

Searching, yes. Attacking the Dwarves to get them to make the Gauntlet and then going after the Asgardians to get the Space Stone and then coming himself to Earth...no.

Thanos had the Mind Stone before the events of "The Avengers". After all, it was inside the Chitauri scepter given to Loki.



Personally, I think "Infinity War" has some writing problems. It's not a terrible movie. I've seen it twice in the theaters. I bought the DVD and viewed it twice since then. But the movie has some problems. And one of those problems seemed to be the timing that surrounded Thanos' search for the Infinity stones.

 

[JD]

You seem to be the only one who's taking issue with all of that.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Why do I find this hard to believe? If it were not for Star-Lord's plan, Xandar would have been easily defeated by Ronan . . . even before he had the chance to use the Power Stone to destroy it. And now, I'm expected to believe that Thanos had waited four years to go after the Power Stone because the Xandarians were powerful enough to cause him trouble?

Ronan had a stone in his hand at the time. Thanos gave his stone to Loki for him to bring 2 stones back from earth, but Loki lost it. Therefore, once the Nova corps got hold of Ronan's stone, he couldn't use a stone to attack them, only conventional forces. And he still could beat them that way, as IW proves, but doing so would not necessarily be without dangers (like losing a lot of those conventional forces and simultaneously attracting attention from even more dangerous enemies).

How did he learn about the locations of the Infinity stones so easily - with the exception of the Mind Stone? When did Gamora search for the Mind Stone? And if she did so after the events of "Guardians of the Galaxy", why did she bother? And if she did so before the events of the 2014 movie, why did she bother to inform Nebula about her discovery?

Again, Gamora searched for the soul stone, not the mind stone. And the movie is very clear that her search happened when she was still with Thanos, she simply kept the results a secret. The movie is also very clear that she told Nebula in an attempt to keep her from going after Thanos. We literally saw this scene in the movie itself: Nebula is convinced that she has to kill Thanos because otherwise he'll find all the stones and carry out his plan and Gamora tells her that's not possible because she knows where the soul stone is and she erased all the information, etc, that could possibly have led him to it. Nebula doesn't trust that he won't find it anyway, so goes to try and kill him, gets captured and interrogated and Thanos learns that Gamora knows where to find the Soul Stone.

As for how he found the locations of the other stones: the first Avengers movie makes it clear that using a stone somehow makes it possible for people who know what they're looking for to track it. Except for the soul stone, every one of the stones has been used in spectacular fashion over the previous films. Plus, Thanos was directly involved in Avengers 1 (where the Mind and Space stone were both in play) and GotG1 (where the power stone was in play) so he would've known where to find those regardless. Even the Reality Stone (Thor 2) was in a place where spies could easily discover it (with the Collector, a man with zero discretion). The only stone that he would even need to track would be the Time stone (Dr. Strange's amulet).

 

[Paul Weaver]

The only stone that he would even need to track would be the Time stone (Dr. Strange's amulet).

Which Strange had very recently used - many times - against that Hong Kong destroying thing.

 

[LJones41]

You seem to be the only one who's taking issue with all of that.

I'm not allowed to take issue with the movie's writing, because no one else has?

Again, Gamora searched for the soul stone, not the mind stone. And the movie is very clear that her search happened when she was still with Thanos, she simply kept the results a secret.

Then why tell Nebula about her discovery of the SOUL stone . . . and not Thanos? Gamora and Nebula weren't exactly close at the time. And yet, you also added . . .

The movie is also very clear that she told Nebula in an attempt to keep her from going after Thanos. We literally saw this scene in the movie itself: Nebula is convinced that she has to kill Thanos because otherwise he'll find all the stones and carry out his plan and Gamora tells her that's not possible because she knows where the soul stone is and she erased all the information, etc, that could possibly have led him to it. Nebula doesn't trust that he won't find it anyway, so goes to try and kill him, gets captured and interrogated and Thanos learns that Gamora knows where to find the Soul Stone.

This could have only happened after the events of "Guardians of the Galaxy", when the two sisters had parted from Thanos. There seemed to be an inconsistency going on.

Plus, Thanos was directly involved in Avengers 1 (where the Mind and Space stone were both in play) and GotG1 (where the power stone was in play) so he would've known where to find those regardless.

Why wait four years to acquire the Power Stone from Xandar?

Even the Reality Stone (Thor 2) was in a place where spies could easily discover it (with the Collector, a man with zero discretion).

The Reality Stone was last used by Malekith on Earth (Greenwhich, England to be exact). And this happened roughly three to four years before the events of "Infinity War". How did Thanos know that the Collector had the Reality Stone on Knowhere?

 

[Anwar]

Maybe that's what he spent the 3-4 years doing? Detective work?