Spoilers Avengers: Infinity War grade and discussion thread

[Awesome Possum]

Squirrel Girl could defeat Thanos and has done so in the comics.

100% Canon.

She also fought Galactus and befriended him, saving Earth in the process.

The only reason she isn’t in the movies is because they would be over too quickly and she might make the others look bad in comparison. Civil War would’ve ended in Tony and Steve hugging it out with her in it.

 

[Refuge]

The reason why I had questioned the need to bring in Captain Marvel is that Thor is still alive.

I once came across an article that listed the number of Marvel characters capable of defeating Thanos. One of them was Odin. I suspect that other lists either do not include Odin . . . or include the Hulk (who got his ass handed to him in the movie by Thanos). So far, I have yet to see Captain Marvel on any of these lists.

Then again, I haven't seen Thor on any of these lists. But . . . Odin is dead. So is Hela, his older sister. This leaves Thor as the current ruler of any Asgardians still alive (if they are) and . . . the new Allfather. And considering how he came damn close to killing Thanos in the movie, I find myself questioning the need to regard Captain Marvel as the only one capable of killing Thanos or as the universe's only hope. Now, it is possible that she possesses an ability that allows her to find Thanos. If that is the case, I could see the need for her presence. And it is possible that Fury was not aware that Thor was back on Earth.

There is a problem with this scenario. At the beginning of the movie, Thor is depicted as being no match for Thanos. Yet, he was easily able to come close to killing Thanos in Wakanda. Some might attribute this to his possession of the Stormbreaker. But why? Didn't "THOR: RAGNAROK" establish that he never really needed Mjölnir other than to help him learn to focus his powers until he was ready to wield them without a weapon? So . . . is the creation of Stormbreaker is a sign that Thor has not yet learned to focus his powers on his own?

But with Stormbreaker or not, he strikes me as being powerful enough to take on Thanos.

Captain Marvel is the strongest - end of story. The others may as well pull up a chair and get themselves some shawarma.

 

[Spot261]

Captain Marvel is the strongest - end of story. The others may as well pull up a chair and get themselves some shawarma.

But why? Surely such an argument followed to it's natural conclusion would preclude the need for any but the most powerful member of the team, no matter who they were?

 

[Grendelsbayne]

The reason why I had questioned the need to bring in Captain Marvel is that Thor is still alive.

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And considering how he came damn close to killing Thanos in the movie, I find myself questioning the need to regard Captain Marvel as the only one capable of killing Thanos or as the universe's only hope. Now, it is possible that she possesses an ability that allows her to find Thanos. If that is the case, I could see the need for her presence. And it is possible that Fury was not aware that Thor was back on Earth.

This makes no sense. Why is everyone assuming that Captain Marvel is being brought in as the one true savior of the universe and the only person who will be capable of killing Thanos? I highly doubt Captain Marvel will even be the one to kill Thanos at all - narratively, that honor would make far more sense going to Cap or Tony (obviously some serious planning would have to go into that) or, most likely, being a group effort among all the Avengers.

Fury did not call in Captain Marvel because he doesn't trust Thor to get the job done. He called in Captain marvel because major Avengers were missing, there was a big battle going on in Wakanda that he had almost no information on and suddenly people started literally disappearing on the streets of new york (including his second in command). That is obviously the time when you call in back-up, and the bigger your back-up is, the better. Hell, for all he knows, Earth may be under attack by multiple high level threats and the people disappearing could be victims of a completely different enemy than the one the Avengers are fighting in Wakanda, which would mean that even if the Avengers won the day unambiguously there they could be forced directly into an even bigger fight with less preparation and no time to heal.

 

[Paul Weaver]

I'll be interested in the reason why Captain Marvel wasn't called in during the Loki/Chitari invasion

 

[Spot261]

This makes no sense. Why is everyone assuming that Captain Marvel is being brought in as the one true savior of the universe and the only person who will be capable of killing Thanos? I highly doubt Captain Marvel will even be the one to kill Thanos at all - narratively, that honor would make far more sense going to Cap or Tony (obviously some serious planning would have to go into that) or, most likely, being a group effort among all the Avengers.

Fury did not call in Captain Marvel because he doesn't trust Thor to get the job done. He called in Captain marvel because major Avengers were missing, there was a big battle going on in Wakanda that he had almost no information on and suddenly people started literally disappearing on the streets of new york (including his second in command). That is obviously the time when you call in back-up, and the bigger your back-up is, the better. Hell, for all he knows, Earth may be under attack by multiple high level threats and the people disappearing could be victims of a completely different enemy than the one the Avengers are fighting in Wakanda, which would mean that even if the Avengers won the day unambiguously there they could be forced directly into an even bigger fight with less preparation and no time to heal.

Nick Fury, nothing if not pragmatic.

In his case that most definitely is in character....

 

[Spot261]

I'll be interested in the reason why Captain Marvel wasn't called in during the Loki/Chitari invasion

She was on annual leave.

 

[Gov Kodos]

She was on annual leave.

Or Fury didn't have a way to contact her at the time. Carol does spend a lot of her career in space.

 

[Spot261]

Or Fury didn't have a way to contact her at the time. Carol does spend a lot of her career in space.

Or he wasn't yet aware of her in this timeline

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Or he had a good enough understanding of the situation to know it would be over too fast one way or the other, whereas in iw he is grasping in the dark while his organized support structure is magically neutralized before his eyes. Or he did make that call while the Avengers were fighting, she arrived a day later, had a little vacation and went back to whatever she does out in space.

 

[LJones41]

This makes no sense. Why is everyone assuming that Captain Marvel is being brought in as the one true savior of the universe and the only person who will be capable of killing Thanos?

Actually, a lot of people (on other message boards or blogs) have been making that assumption. Personally, I found it rather odd. Your explanation makes more sense - that Fury contacted her, because many major Avengers were missing. Both Thor and the Hulk had been gone for two years (is it two?) and I doubt that Fury knew about their sudden appearances in New York and Wakanda. Tony had been declared missing. Vision had disappeared. Clint was under house arrest. Steve, Sam and Natasha had been fugitives for a while and I don't think Fury knew about their appearance at the Avengers HQ or their arrival in Wakanda. Even Rhodey left the HQ without Fury's knowledge. So, it makes sense that he would contact Captain Marvel.

I have another question. At first, I was rather surprised at the speed in which Thanos managed to discover the locations of the Infinity stones (other than the Power stone, which he probably knew was on Xandar; and the Soul stone). Then someone on Tumblr pointed out that the stones more or less call to each other. Is that how he was able to find most of the stones so quickly?

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I think he knew exactly where all the stones were before the movie started. It wouldn't be hard for decent intelligence to find out what happened to the sceptre Thanos gave Loki, so that's the Mind stone. It would also be easy to find out that Thor took the Tesseract back to Asgard. The scenes at Knowhere certainly seemed to imply Thanos had known about the collector having the Reality stone for a while at least. The soul stone was hidden and Gamora knew where to find it. The only one that's really questionable is the Time stone - but Avengers 1 implied Thanos knew the Tesseract was on Earth because SHIELD had been using it, so maybe Dr. Strange using it in his own movie gave that one away, too.

 

[theenglish]

Inferred from how much that happens between the ship leaving Earth and crashing on Titan. How long does ot take that trip at c? Maybe an hour? The ship was also moving faster than c, judging by the warp/hyperspace effect out the window. Plus no shots of Saturn from the surface. Regardless of the comics, idea seems to be this Titan is its own planet elsewhere in space.

Yes, it was some other planet. Also, we are never given any information on how fast space travel is. It was also never mentioned that all the planets were in the same galaxy (or was it--was Thanos killing half of life in the galaxy or the universe?) at least to my recollection.

I really wish we had seen this on screen. To be told about Xandar's destruction in the beginning of the film reminded me that some of the narrative seemed rushed.

Maybe we will see this in flashback at the beginning of a Nova movie?

 

[theenglish]

I think he knew exactly where all the stones were before the movie started. It wouldn't be hard for decent intelligence to find out what happened to the sceptre Thanos gave Loki, so that's the Mind stone. It would also be easy to find out that Thor took the Tesseract back to Asgard. The scenes at Knowhere certainly seemed to imply Thanos had known about the collector having the Reality stone for a while at least. The soul stone was hidden and Gamora knew where to find it. The only one that's really questionable is the Time stone - but Avengers 1 implied Thanos knew the Tesseract was on Earth because SHIELD had been using it, so maybe Dr. Strange using it in his own movie gave that one away, too.

I agree and your theory fits with the previous appearances of Thanos. He had been scouting for the stones for a while. It is actually a great plan. Make the gauntlet and get the stones quickly before somebody has time to develop a plan to stop him.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Agreed. Years of scouting and manipulating others to draw out as many of the gems as possible before leaping into action and gathering them all up at once.

 

[theenglish]

I will also bet on Gamora taking down Thanos, not Captain Marvel or any of the big guns. In fact, Gamora and Nebula (corrected) together might be the better possibility.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I'm inclined to think, in addition to Gamora, they'll borrow from the comics and Nebula will also play an important role in taking down Thanos.

 

[Booji]

I'm inclined to think, in addition to Gamora, they'll borrow from the comics and Nebula will also play an important role in taking down Thanos.

Without a doubt...

Spoiler: Infinity Gaunlet spoilers...

Part 1 showed the Russo's were taking major beats from the comic. I think they will do the same for the sequel and have Nebula reset everything to 3 days prior once she inevitably gets the Gauntlet. No time travel, just like the comics in which it's an instant reset where everyone is like "WTF? Why am I back at the bar?" I also think Vision takes the place of Warlock and is currently living in the Soul Stone with Gamora. Me thinks there was a piece of him in the Mind Stone and it will transfer to the Soul Stone world... sorta like a Vorlon

 

[Captrek]

I have another question. At first, I was rather surprised at the speed in which Thanos managed to discover the locations of the Infinity stones (other than the Power stone, which he probably knew was on Xandar; and the Soul stone). Then someone on Tumblr pointed out that the stones more or less call to each other. Is that how he was able to find most of the stones so quickly?

I had kind of the opposite question in Ragnarok. Thor states at the beginning that he’s spent years searching for the Infinity Stones and hasn’t found any.

The Asgardians have the Space Stone in their vault and left the Reality Stone with the Collector. Vision has the Mind Stone. That’s three he already knows.

Not finding the Time Stone, under his nose on Earth, is kind of embarrassing, but plausible. And of course he knows nothing about the Soul Stone.

But how did he never find the Power Stone? How does he not know who the Guardians of the Galaxy are? The Battle of Xandar isn’t exactly a big secret. The whole population of the planet knows the Power Stone has been delivered to the Nova Corps and the Guardians’ role in delivering it. A simple search of public news archives for “Power Stone” should have turned it up. And did it never occur to Thor to ask The Collector if he knows anything about the missing Infinity Stones?

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Without a doubt...

Spoiler: Infinity Gaunlet spoilers...

Part 1 showed the Russo's were taking major beats from the comic. I think they will do the same for the sequel and have Nebula reset everything to 3 days prior once she inevitably gets the Gauntlet. No time travel, just like the comics in which it's an instant reset where everyone is like "WTF? Why am I back at the bar?" I also think Vision takes the place of Warlock and is currently living in the Soul Stone with Gamora. Me thinks there was a piece of him in the Mind Stone and it will transfer to the Soul Stone world... sorta like a Vorlon

Spoiler: Infinity Gauntlet

Interesting idea about Vision also being in Soul World with Gamora and I like the Vorlon allusion in particular. I could see him returning alongside Gamora but also changed considerably, becoming colder than he was before dying, much like how he changed in the comics when he became white. I don't know if he'll serve the Adam Warlock role though, I think Gamora will fill in that role if anyone at all.