Yep. It's not brain surgery! Well apparently it is...
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Literally this is the reverse of the truth, Possum is doing no such thing, she actually has a very strong position entirely in fitting with the evidence. You on the other hand are continuing to fail in your defence of a position which is obviously an attempt to intellectualise and justify a prejudice after the fact. Do count the amount of support your relative positions and posts are receiving, be it in terms of likes or supporting responses.
Except it isn't a "weak plot device", it's something totally in character as has been evidenced here ad infintum. Nor is Possum in any such habit, on the contrary you your self are notorious for exactly such behaviour whereas she has a very broadly respected posting history.
Where on earth has @Awesome Possum abused her mod position? She isn't a mod in this forum anyway, nor has she mentioned nor drawn attention to her role. On the contrary as mods throughout this forum go she is well known for being sparing with her use of her position and the meagre privileges it entails in return for the hours of unpaid and selfless work required. Again, your comments here characterise yourself far more eloquently than they do Possum who is frankly being notable here for her restraint.
The issue isn't her opinion being rejected or her reaction to that, it's yours. Your are notorious for the absurd hoops you will jump through in order to justify patently obvious insecurities over gender politics and how it is represented in popular media and this myopic insistence on a character having been emasculated (sorry, "dumbed down") despite being virtually alone in that assessment is a perfect example of how that plays out.
OMG, you’re actually citing TWOK as an example of how to do it right? Spock’s heroism is made necessary by Kirk’s foolish mistake (not raising the shields) in exactly the same way as you’re complaining about Thor’s mistake supposedly being used to make Captain Marvel’s heroism necessary.
^ I love that avatar whenever you raise an objection
But I really miss my old star field avatar. 
I think mine looks like I'm too angry all the time then. Or am I faking it, knowing I have a cunning plan up my sleeve?
Great effect if you and I just keep posting back and forth, making Kirk look all schizo.
Actually, she is the only mod to ever give me a warning. Boo!
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I tried to talk you out of those nude selfies.
You should have thanked me for them.
A well-written character can never make a big mistake... ...just look at TWOK.
The irony is that Thor making a mistake made him look better. Having his Stormbreaker turned into bubbles would have looked really bad on his résumé.
Thanos was portrayed in the entire film as completely and utterly unstoppable, and growing more so as he got more stones. The Knowhere scene was a surreal joke that sent shivers down my spine in both viewings. He was not going to be stopped, not only was that obvious, but it was solidly foreshadowed when Strange saw the actual future, and we got hints that him getting all the stones first was necessary. For Thor to end it all with a single blow to the head at this point would have been a contrived solution that does away with the whole set-up, making it an example of bad writing that wouldn't have fitted with anything that happened in the film prior to that, it would have undercut the confrontation at Titan, and suggested complexity and darkness in the completely improbable solution Dr. Strange foresaw.
Nope, Dr. Strange certainly didn't see how in one of 14000605 futures Thor would hit Thanos on the head – that would have been silly. In fact, I'm willing to wager he saw Thor aiming for the head in more than one of the 14000604 scenarios where Thanos won permanently anyway. That would make his mistake inconsequential.
Mistake or not, though, Thor became the only one in the whole movie who made a dent in defeating Thanos, the first time I thought we could win, only to realise it was too good to be true once more. In terms of dramatic effect, it was actually an example of good writing. It was an enjoyable reverse of Ripley-Xenomorph final stand-off, incidentally after Peter Parker had recreated the actual scene from Alien.
Constantly running back to defend a position only reveals how weak and unconvincing it is. That was AP's pattern for days. Moreover, her unjustified flaming is the eternal evidence of one with no real desire to engage in debate, but attack anyone who either refuses to buy their particular brand of BS, or their behavior is the end result of hatred. The amount of posts / energy invested by AP pushes the meter to the hatred end. To hate anyone--strangers--from the anonymous realm of a message board is disturbing in the extreme. There is no defense for that behavior other than her self appointed defenders revealing that they are equally disturbed. You opened that door, guy, and there is no excuse for you to also invest this much time in joining some attack on a stranger.
Prejudice: where prejudice is concerned, until you actually acknowledge its most unparalleled, vile form when it appears on this board--and that has not happened, considering where you're going now--you are in no place to comment or accuse anyone of it. Yes, on TrekBBS, racism--history's most destructive, nightmarish form of prejudice--one of life's true kinds of genuine evil-- is either dodged, defended or pushed to the side by some to support their own agendas. Being half black and white, but living the black experience to the hilt, this is a personally raw experience/situation I've watched go on time and again, and its no surprise that I'm one of the few on this board who argued (elsewhere on this board) about those pushed or dodged racial issues, or against those who actually felt they were qualified to post patently offensive theories about a race they obviously know nothing about (if their posts are evidence of true beliefs) yet that did not stop them playing Race Doctor. It's also not a surprise that said analysts often sell themselves as the most understanding individuals walking the earth, yet did not hesitate in posting nonsense utterly free of the kind knowledge and experience required to make their assumptions and conclusions. So, get back to me when you address that serious matter on this board, instead of the easy, lazy accusation that others are holding phantom prejudices, because you're just yelling from the well-worn White Privilege Seat of Judgement...except where that aforementioned genuine form of evil is concerned.
Yet you & AP seem to ignore character continuity when it does not end with shooting up fireworks for this film's weak plot device ending. If you acknowledge other Thor character moments, then you cannot leap over what was--until Infinity War-- the most significant battle of his MCU appearances--the Battle of New York--and how it established his behavior when dealing with an overwhelming threat. That naturally informs how he would approach that which has replaced the Chitauri as the greatest conflict--Thanos.
In another way of putting it, no rational mind will skip over the significance of Luke Skywalker's experience on Cloud City as a certain kind of situation impacting his life, instead using the Sail Barge fight as a model for the gravity of/ his behavior in the eventual face off against Vader and Sidious/Palpatine aboard the 2nd Death Star. There's no sense in that as Cloud City is the natural, structural/emotional lead in to the Emperor's throne room, only the stakes were higher in ROTJ, as is the case of IW for Thor following A1.
The Sail Barge is every Thor adventure that's not the first Avengers film because of the rest--even the fall of Asgard--does not have the same gravity .That is character continuity where it matters most, but it matters not if AP cannot grasp that, or chooses to ignore what does not fit a pre-conceived conclusion ending with those referenced fireworks.
Sigh. It means simply having that title can make some feel they have the right to behave and post whatever they want and are not held to the same standard as John or Jane Q. Board Member. This is nothing new in the politics of message boards.
Wha?? Are you kidding, Captrek? The point in referencing TWOK-Spock was that TOS-Spock informed the behavior of TWOK-Spock, as his sacrifice was a perfect example of character continuity as seen in episodes such as "The Immunity Syndrome", "Obsession", "Balance of Terror", "The Apple" and others, where he thought nothing of himself as he tried to save others. That's the point. Your referencing Kirk misses the point of Spock's long-established behavior as an example of character continuity.
I can't take my eyes off your avatars when you two get together. I find it hard actually reading your posts.
Problem is it is your own behaviour you are describing here, not hers. Throughout this thread it is you who has presented as obtuse and offensive, launching personal attacks, not her.
Stop side stepping the issue, your race has nothing to do with the question of the blatant sexism you keep displaying. Being a member of one disadvantaged group in society has no bearing on one's right to express prejudice towards another. If you experience racism here, you absolutely should highlight it, but frankly sexism is a much more prominent issue as far as I can see.
You really are coming across like you haven't actually watched the films or read the comics here. You are describing a completely different character to the one actually shown time and again in both media. That you keep having this pointed out by poster after poster but have been supported in that position by precisely one person who is now showing signs of doubt should be quite telling.
Kirk is hardly beside the point. He’s the main character of the film, and his mistake is pretty much unprecedented. Sure, the “too arrogant to listen to other people” thing was set up in TMP, and the “too arrogant to believe himself capable of failure” was arguably set up in the TV series, but we never saw him screw up like this before TWOK.
Why is it that Thor’s mistake — which, as I and other posters have pointed out, is similar to mistakes he made in previous films — is a fatal flaw in the A3 screenplay, but TWOK is a great film despite Kirk making an even dumber mistake without having anything like it in his background?
The reason why I had questioned the need to bring in Captain Marvel is that Thor is still alive.
I once came across an article that listed the number of Marvel characters capable of defeating Thanos. One of them was Odin. I suspect that other lists either do not include Odin . . . or include the Hulk (who got his ass handed to him in the movie by Thanos). So far, I have yet to see Captain Marvel on any of these lists.
Then again, I haven't seen Thor on any of these lists. But . . . Odin is dead. So is Hela, his older sister. This leaves Thor as the current ruler of any Asgardians still alive (if they are) and . . . the new Allfather. And considering how he came damn close to killing Thanos in the movie, I find myself questioning the need to regard Captain Marvel as the only one capable of killing Thanos or as the universe's only hope. Now, it is possible that she possesses an ability that allows her to find Thanos. If that is the case, I could see the need for her presence. And it is possible that Fury was not aware that Thor was back on Earth.
There is a problem with this scenario. At the beginning of the movie, Thor is depicted as being no match for Thanos. Yet, he was easily able to come close to killing Thanos in Wakanda. Some might attribute this to his possession of the Stormbreaker. But why? Didn't "THOR: RAGNAROK" establish that he never really needed Mjölnir other than to help him learn to focus his powers until he was ready to wield them without a weapon? So . . . is the creation of Stormbreaker is a sign that Thor has not yet learned to focus his powers on his own?
But with Stormbreaker or not, he strikes me as being powerful enough to take on Thanos.
I once came across an article that listed the number of Marvel characters capable of defeating Thanos. One of them was Odin. I suspect that other lists either do not include Odin . . . or include the Hulk (who got his ass handed to him in the movie by Thanos). So far, I have yet to see Captain Marvel on any of these lists.
Then again, I haven't seen Thor on any of these lists. But . . . Odin is dead. So is Hela, his older sister. This leaves Thor as the current ruler of any Asgardians still alive (if they are) and . . . the new Allfather. And considering how he came damn close to killing Thanos in the movie, I find myself questioning the need to regard Captain Marvel as the only one capable of killing Thanos or as the universe's only hope. Now, it is possible that she possesses an ability that allows her to find Thanos. If that is the case, I could see the need for her presence. And it is possible that Fury was not aware that Thor was back on Earth.
There is a problem with this scenario. At the beginning of the movie, Thor is depicted as being no match for Thanos. Yet, he was easily able to come close to killing Thanos in Wakanda. Some might attribute this to his possession of the Stormbreaker. But why? Didn't "THOR: RAGNAROK" establish that he never really needed Mjölnir other than to help him learn to focus his powers until he was ready to wield them without a weapon? So . . . is the creation of Stormbreaker is a sign that Thor has not yet learned to focus his powers on his own?
But with Stormbreaker or not, he strikes me as being powerful enough to take on Thanos.
I'd say Mjölnir could help Thor get up to his theoretical maximum as the God of Hammers, and Stormbreaker goes beyond that, perhaps to the new level of strength he'd have as King (I have no idea if that's how it works), or removing the limit so, however powerful Thor may be, Stormbreaker would always give him an edge. Plus, you know, intergalactic teleportation. That's pretty cool, too.
Absolutely the wordiest troll I've ever seen.
Why only settle for one being powerful enough to maybe stop Thanos when you can have two?
I do feel Thor's totally strong enough to fight Thanos, but like right now is killing Thanos enough? Like I really think they totally need more, you know what I mean? I'm so interested in seeing part 2, I just can't wait!
Oh and like @whatsyourname I mean you just keep going back to Thor not killing Thanos, but I totally and completely think you're making a mistake, because like he did everything he could, right? I mean what do we really expect? You've never answered me even though I've like posted a half dozen times in here, I'm feeling a bit ignored, right? He thought he'd done it! Why wouldn't he? He didn't make any mistake at all, and he wasn't dumbed down at all, and he's still so very strong and powerful nothing's been taken away from him.