Spoilers Avengers: Infinity War grade and discussion thread

[Spot261]

Then Steve Rogers' criticism about Stark never being the one to make the sacrifice move (The Avengers) still holds true in the present day, which means he's learned nothing since becoming Iron Man. "Not asking for this" becomes self-protective BS the second someone decides he's going to make decisions / take actions on behalf of others, which is what a superhero does. For that reason, Stark should finally be pressed into learning what "signing up" means by being the one to die. For once, he would not think he's going to tech/trick his way out of a situation, and face a threat, knowing he has no chance. That would finally add some drama to the entire Infinity War story, and serve as a strong bookend to 10 years of MCU films with the end of the character who launched the series--and finally learning what sacrifice of self means.

Except he's put himself in that position several times, New York and the nuke being the single most prominent example but far from isolated. Every time he confronts some powerful being intent on killing him he's making the decision to risk exactly that sacrifice.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Except he's put himself in that position several times, New York and the nuke being the single most prominent example but far from isolated. Every time he confronts some powerful being intent on killing him he's making the decision to risk exactly that sacrifice.

Stark seems to have a lot in common with Kirk in this story in that the gauntlet is like Stark's own real life Kobayashi Maru. Stark is a lot like Kirk in not believing in the no-win scenario and believes he can figure a way out of anything. This time he comes smack up against something he can't just wing a solution to.

 

[Spot261]

Stark seems to have a lot in common with Kirk in this story in that the gauntlet is like Stark's own real life Kobayashi Maru. Stark is a lot like Kirk in not believing in the no-win scenario and believes he can figure a way out of anything. This time he comes smack up against something he can't just wing a solution to.

I've heard that assessment of Kirk, but we've seen him believe death is likely several times and press on anyway. I think sometimes we take one aspect of a characters portrayal and mentally extend that to encompass the whole. It's hard to dismiss Tony's willingness to sacrifice himself during AA

 

[Gov Kodos]

I've heard that assessment of Kirk, but we've seen him believe death is likely several times and press on anyway. I think sometimes we take one aspect of a characters portrayal and mentally extend that to encompass the whole. It's hard to dismiss Tony's willingness to sacrifice himself during AA

Also, the movie Kirk could be seen as acting out his own midlife crisis which he admits as much by the end. TOS Kirk never struck me as brazanly flip as the movie incarnation which could have been a result of age and boredom sitting on his ass in the admiralty.

 

[Paul Weaver]

Then Steve Rogers' criticism about Stark never being the one to make the sacrifice move (The Avengers)

However It was Rogers who refused to let vision make the sacrifice move, not believing in a no win scenario.

When stark boarded the spaceship with Strange, he wasn't expecting to be back. Contrary to Rogers' assertion, stark is always sacrificing, and only surviving through things out of his control. Perhaps that's made him more cocky, expecting that he'll be saved regardless of what he does.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I don't think Stark is motivated by any of this at all. Just like Captain America, he goes into situations because he can't not do it, even when its clearly hurting him/he doesn't want to. However, I do think there is an important caveat to mention there, in that Stark's heroism is driven to a significant extant by guilt. He becomes Iron Man because of the guilt of seeing his weapons in terrorist hands. He creates ultron because he by himself couldn't get things done (IM3) and because he is afraid of having to carry the guilt of the other Avengers' deaths. He signs onto the UN because of the guilt of Ultron.

That's why he's almost certainly going to go all-out on Thanos after this movie, not because he's determined like Cap, or because he wants to save Pepper as someone else said, but because he just had to watch his, essentially, ward (who he took responsibility for and encouraged in becoming a hero) die in his arms begging for help. The guilt of Spideys death will haunt him until he finds a way to stop Thanos permanently. If Tony did survive after that, it would probably still haunt him for a long time, even if Peter returns, but I think the most likely thing is he will see an opportunity to trade his life for the snap victims and jump at it. (Even if Cap tries to stop him from 'trading lives')

 

[Shaka Zulu]

How Superman would have handled Thanos:

 

[Awesome Possum]

Except he's put himself in that position several times, New York and the nuke being the single most prominent example but far from isolated. Every time he confronts some powerful being intent on killing him he's making the decision to risk exactly that sacrifice.

It was also half a decade ago, Stark has grown as a character. Stark being willing to sacrifice himself to stop the bomb was him overcoming Rogers' criticism.

I actually think the next movie will involve Stark trying to build a device capable of containing the Infinity Stones, since the Gauntlet was destroyed. Stark will try to use it at the risk of his own life to reverse everything, maybe the other Avengers have to contribute in some way due to how it works. So most of the original team may sacrifice themselves to use it.

There seems to be some rumors that time travel might be involved. So they could include some characters who only logically appear in the future. So maybe we could get to see Miles Morales as a future Spider-Man.

 

[JD]

My brother and i were talking about the end of the movie, specifically to people reacting ro being dusted. I mentioned how spiderman was flipping out over it and my brother was like yeah he knew it was coming, he's got the spidey sense. I had totally forgotten about that. I'm sure I'm the only one who didn't make that connection but it was kind of like a woah moment for me lol

Nice catch, that hadn't occurred to me either.

 

[Awesome Possum]

There were plenty of situations where the Doctor was willing to sacrifice his life over sacrificing his principles.
Parting of the ways comes to mind.
What saved the day was out of his control.

Given that many times he seems to welcome death like in The Doctor Falls, I doubt that he even expects to survive most of the time.

 

[Samurai8472]

The Russo brothers divulge who potentially survived and who didn't.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/apos-avengers-infinity-war-apos-182016729.html


Kinda of feel bad for Lady Sif. They don't necessarily have to kill her off because the actress has commitments.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Damn right Aunt May survived. There would be rioting in the streets!

And of course Howard the Duck survived. There's no killing that craziness!

 

[Captrek]

What about the bus driver? They’re going to leave us hanging on that one?

If he didn’t make it, I hope he wasn’t driving a bus full of kids when he disintegrated.

 

[David cgc]

What about the bus driver? They’re going to leave us hanging on that one?

If he didn’t make it, I hope he wasn’t driving a bus full of kids when he disintegrated.

If I had to pick, I'd rather be on the bus than that helicopter.

 

[Nerys Myk]

What about the bus driver? They’re going to leave us hanging on that one?

If he didn’t make it, I hope he wasn’t driving a bus full of kids when he disintegrated.

No, but all the kids did.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

So maybe we could get to see Miles Morales as a future Spider-Man.

The only movie being made with Miles Morales is an animated one:

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[Awesome Possum]

The only movie being made with Miles Morales is an animated one:

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The only that we know of. He does exist in the MCU and was referenced in Homecoming.

Damn right Aunt May survived. There would be rioting in the streets!

And of course Howard the Duck survived. There's no killing that craziness!

Who would want to live in a universe without Howard?

 

[Gov Kodos]

The only that we know of. He does exist in the MCU and was referenced in Homecoming.


Who would want to live in a universe without Howard?

The Dark Overlords of the Universe?

 

[BeatleJWOL]

was referenced in Homecoming

I missed that one. Very sneaky:

Marvel’s tribute to Morales doesn’t even mention the character by name. This is a universe where Peter Parker is a sophomore in high school, so it wouldn’t make any sense for Morales, many years younger than Peter, to make his debut now. What Marvel does instead, however, is introduce an mundane, run-of-the-mill criminal named Aaron Davis, who is played by Donald Glover.

That name might not mean much to those who aren’t immersed in the Spider-Man universe, specifically the one that Marvel Comics has created, but it’s important. Aaron Davis is the uncle of Miles Morales and while Davis never says Morales’ name, he does refer to having a nephew who lives in Queens, New York during a conversation with Spider-Man in an empty parking lot. In Miles’ story, his uncle’s criminal activities are indirectly responsible for how he gets his powers.

https://www.polygon.com/2017/7/7/15934674/spider-man-homecoming-miles-morales

 

[Noname Given]

How Superman would have handled Thanos:

^^^
yeah, no. If Superman couldn't do it to Darlsied; what makes you think he could do it to Thanos (Who Jim Starlin admits was based off Darksied.)?