AVENGERS: Grade, Reviews, Discuss, DVD & Sequel **SPOILERS**

[DigificWriter]

Just got back from a 12:35 am showing, and have to say that the film is better than both Thor and Spider-Man 2 (which are pretty much the two best Marvel movies EVER) combined. Joss Whedon has worked his magic once again, this time proving for everyone to see what his fans already knew: he's one of the best writer/directors on the planet.

I'm not usually a fan of recasting, but in the case of this movie, it's totally justifiable because Mark Ruffalo is the PERFECT Bruce Banner/Hulk, and is far and away better than Edward Norton (and I'm more familiar with Norton than I am with Ruffalo).

Go see this movie as fast as is humanly possible. It's hands-down the best Marvel superhero movie made to date and will not disappoint.

 

[Venardhi]

Normally this is the last thing on my mind, but the scene where Cap has to shield Black Widow kind of highlighted the fact that she isn't a "real" superhero. She serves a purpose in the story and has her action and heroic moments, but cowering from Hulk and manipulating Loki with tears seems hardly powerful feminist stuff coming from Whedon. By the next one they really need to have a proper female superhero to join the boys tossing punches and flying through walls.

Really my only notable complaint. The movie is goddamn fantastic.

 

[Roshi]

Like Wasp?


Hurry the fuck up, Edgar Wright!!!!!

 

[Venardhi]

Looking through the Avengers roster through the years highlights very few superpowered female characters suited for the film treatment, much less their own movie. Wasp would be tricky too, and she might just have the most potential of all of them.

 

[DigificWriter]

Normally this is the last thing on my mind, but the scene where Cap has to shield Black Widow kind of highlighted the fact that she isn't a "real" superhero. She serves a purpose in the story and has her action and heroic moments, but cowering from Hulk and manipulating Loki with tears seems hardly powerful feminist stuff coming from Whedon. By the next one they really need to have a proper female superhero to join the boys tossing punches and flying through walls.

Really my only notable complaint. The movie is goddamn fantastic.

A female character doesn't have to have superpowers for Whedon to make them strong. Black Widow joins Zoe Wasburne, Kaylee Frye, and Winifred Burkle in Whedon's pantheon of non-powered 'superwomen', and is written just as strongly and believeably as them. She more than holds her own against the guys, and is actually one of the best characters in the movie. Her moments of vulnerability in no way make her 'weaker' and in fact only demonstrate her strength.

Looking through the Avengers roster through the years highlights very few superpowered female characters suited for the film treatment, much less their own movie. Wasp would be tricky too, and she might just have the most potential of all of them.

Gotta disagree. Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel would fit very comfortably into the filmic Avengers lineup and is a character who very much fits into the mold of Whedon's stable of superpowered female heroes.

 

[Skywalker]

I wouldn't mind seeing both Wasp and Ms. Marvel. Speaking of Danvers, I wonder if Marvel would bring the Kree into the MCU...

 

[Gov Kodos]

I wouldn't mind seeing both Wasp and Ms. Marvel. Speaking of Danvers, I wonder if Marvel would bring the Kree into the MCU...

I love that idea more than the reveal at the end of the film. A Skrull and Kree battle would be cool. I would love Scarlett as Ms Marvel, myself, but I guess that won't be in the cards now. Another Marvel Lady I'd like to see is Monica Rambeau.

 

[Procutus]

We're off to see it today at 12:30. The fact that virtually every review I've read is positive (and the grades here) have me super-psyched to see this. I've been waiting for this day since I first saw the 42nd Street set last August.

 

[trekkiebaggio]

Oh, one thing I thought of when I saw it again the other night.

Spoiler: Fury/Coulson

So when Fury throws the trading cards in front of Cap and Iron Man, they're actually from Coulson's locker not his jacket. But they're covered in blood, which means Fury must have stained them in blood himself which is pretty dark.

 

[Procutus]

The Plain Dealer also gave the movie a grade of 'A' and praised Joss' ability to balance everything and deliver a film that has broad appeal.

Two hours to go!

 

[Hartzilla2007]

It was a great movie

Spoiler: about film

Sucks they killed Coulson

 

[Kemaiku]

Finally got to see in it England on Wednesday, awesome film and thoroughly enjoyed it start to finish.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Saw it last night. Was pretty much what I expected, which is good enough for me. High art, it ain't, but damn it was fun.

 

[Kemaiku]

Yup I love Coulson's pretty blantant dig at Twilight, the audience reaction to that one was great.

 

[ITL]

It was a great movie

Spoiler: about film

Sucks they killed Coulson

Spoiler: the film

Son Of Coul is no more! NOOOOO!!

And yep, it was great.

 

[Venardhi]

Normally this is the last thing on my mind, but the scene where Cap has to shield Black Widow kind of highlighted the fact that she isn't a "real" superhero. She serves a purpose in the story and has her action and heroic moments, but cowering from Hulk and manipulating Loki with tears seems hardly powerful feminist stuff coming from Whedon. By the next one they really need to have a proper female superhero to join the boys tossing punches and flying through walls.

Really my only notable complaint. The movie is goddamn fantastic.

A female character doesn't have to have superpowers for Whedon to make them strong. Black Widow joins Zoe Wasburne, Kaylee Frye, and Winifred Burkle in Whedon's pantheon of non-powered 'superwomen', and is written just as strongly and believeably as them. She more than holds her own against the guys, and is actually one of the best characters in the movie. Her moments of vulnerability in no way make her 'weaker' and in fact only demonstrate her strength.

Looking through the Avengers roster through the years highlights very few superpowered female characters suited for the film treatment, much less their own movie. Wasp would be tricky too, and she might just have the most potential of all of them.

Gotta disagree. Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel would fit very comfortably into the filmic Avengers lineup and is a character who very much fits into the mold of Whedon's stable of superpowered female heroes.

I'm not saying she wasn't a compelling character, but her physical weakness and moments of vulnerability in comparison to the big guys highlighted how much of a boys club it is. It isn't that there isn't a role for her, it just seems that there should be a woman on the team who doesn't need protecting when the real shit hits the fan.

 

[Kemaiku]

Also, reading back over the last few pages:

Spoiler: Spoiler

Is it possible that the Mark II suit was partly disassembled and being modified as part of "Phase 2" and therefore not available in time?

 

[DigificWriter]

Normally this is the last thing on my mind, but the scene where Cap has to shield Black Widow kind of highlighted the fact that she isn't a "real" superhero. She serves a purpose in the story and has her action and heroic moments, but cowering from Hulk and manipulating Loki with tears seems hardly powerful feminist stuff coming from Whedon. By the next one they really need to have a proper female superhero to join the boys tossing punches and flying through walls.

Really my only notable complaint. The movie is goddamn fantastic.

Normally this is the last thing on my mind, but the scene where Cap has to shield Black Widow kind of highlighted the fact that she isn't a "real" superhero. She serves a purpose in the story and has her action and heroic moments, but cowering from Hulk and manipulating Loki with tears seems hardly powerful feminist stuff coming from Whedon. By the next one they really need to have a proper female superhero to join the boys tossing punches and flying through walls.

Really my only notable complaint. The movie is goddamn fantastic.

A female character doesn't have to have superpowers for Whedon to make them strong. Black Widow joins Zoe Wasburne, Kaylee Frye, and Winifred Burkle in Whedon's pantheon of non-powered 'superwomen', and is written just as strongly and believeably as them. She more than holds her own against the guys, and is actually one of the best characters in the movie. Her moments of vulnerability in no way make her 'weaker' and in fact only demonstrate her strength.

Looking through the Avengers roster through the years highlights very few superpowered female characters suited for the film treatment, much less their own movie. Wasp would be tricky too, and she might just have the most potential of all of them.

Gotta disagree. Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel would fit very comfortably into the filmic Avengers lineup and is a character who very much fits into the mold of Whedon's stable of superpowered female heroes.

I'm not saying she wasn't a compelling character, but her physical weakness and moments of vulnerability in comparison to the big guys highlighted how much of a boys club it is. It isn't that there isn't a role for her, it just seems that there should be a woman on the team who doesn't need protecting when the real shit hits the fan.

Did you and I watch the same movie? Black Widow didn't 'need protecting when the real shit hit the fan. She kicked ass and took names just as much as the boys, and actually might've outdone them.

 

[OdoWanKenobi]

I'm not saying she wasn't a compelling character, but her physical weakness and moments of vulnerability in comparison to the big guys highlighted how much of a boys club it is. It isn't that there isn't a role for her, it just seems that there should be a woman on the team who doesn't need protecting when the real shit hits the fan.

She was trapped in a confined space with the freaking HULK! Anyone in their right mind would be shitting themselves. The fact that she managed an escape, with an injured leg no less, and managed to stay relatively calm is a testament to her character. The manipulating with tears thing was just that: manipulation. She was playing at weak in order to trick Loki into revealing his play, and it worked.

Also, big freaking explosion and Cap has a shield that will completely deflect it. Had he been right next to Hawkeye, he would have been protecting him.

Honestly though, every single one of the Avengers had to be rescued by another at some point. But because Black Widow has some actual character, has vulnerabilities and isn't just an ice queen, that somehow makes her weak and unfit to be there?

 

[Samurai8472]

Also, reading back over the last few pages:

Spoiler: Spoiler

Is it possible that the Mark II suit was partly disassembled and being modified as part of "Phase 2" and therefore not available in time?

The Mark II suit was turned into War Machine in Iron Man 2


THE AVENGERS Pulls In $20M From Midnight Showings, But Fails To Break Record.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=59127

It could have made more but it looks like it could still do some good.


I blame the bootleg.