Waldo is an inspired bit of casting.
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Yeah, that's all explained in the link I posted.
I almost wonder if the Russo Brothers did this just to troll the folks at cosmicbooknews, who endlessly and mindlessly campaign for a movie starring Richard Rider, the first Nova. They posted some seriously misogynistic bullshit about Brie Larson and then whinged incessantly about the "misandry" in the Captain Marvel movie.
You know what? I hope that's exactly what happened.
The breakdown of the VFX of the final battle. Interesting to note, at 1:47 you can see that Sean Gunn's Kraglin from the Guardians of the Galaxy movies was originally a part of the final battle, but was digitally replaced with Groot! He had mentioned that he had filmed scenes as Kraglin, but this is the first footage I've seen. I wonder why he was removed?
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That was a lot of fun to watch, although I do wish we had gotten to see more than a few split seconds at a time of the green-screen action aside from the final version.
I agree it's weird that Kraglin was painted out, especially considering there were other Ravagers present during the battle.
I agree it's weird that Kraglin was painted out, especially considering there were other Ravagers present during the battle.
I hope this acceptable threadromancy, as it has been less than two weeks since the last post.
I only now saw this and I have very mixed feelings. I was very pleasantly surprised how the film began. I had expected with just more boring Thanos posturing and tedious CGI smackdown, but in first fifteen minutes of the film me get Thanos farming his space tomatoes and then unceremoniously beheaded. This was unexpected and good. I always found Thanos to be lame villain, even in the comics. And here is plan was just utterly stupid. Whilst killing half of living being is horrendous, it ultimately will have no real impact toward his ultimate gial. In couple of decades or at least centuries, the populations are back to where they were, in a cosmic timescale it is not even a fraction of an eyeblink. I know they did their best to show his perspective, but it really didn't work. Ultimately he is just a boring GCI boogieman with a stupid plan. I found myself losing interest always when he appeared.
BUt I was pleased with the time heist aspect. It was much interesting than merely battling Thanos would have been and it was very well executed. Albeit I really didn't appreciate how much of a joke they made Thor into. He was the character who in a sense had most realistic reaction to the events in the sense that he was utterly broken and changed. But it was played for laughs. Whilst the initial humorous reveal of his current state would have worked as an emotional rollercoaster for getting the audience from laughing to realising that this was actually tragic, they should have stopped with the jokes after that.
I really didn't like how Natasha was fridged either. A female character being killed to galvanise the resolve of the male heroes just left a bad taste in my mouth.
Other emotional aspects worked frighteningly well. I knew Tony would die, I had not avoided spoilers. I saw it coming yet it hist me really hard. I was bawling like a baby. He was my favourite character in this franchise, and one of my all time favourites in any franchise. But his story was told well. I'm sad he is dead, but it was a touching and fitting end.
But then to my biggest gripe, which weirdly enough is not an issue with the film, or indeed the whole infinity arc as an independent story. If this was truly then end, then it would be a fine end. But it isn't, and as a part of the ongoing franchise, the resolution is an gigantic can of cosmic space worms. I was expecting some sort of a reset. The Avengers clearly stating that this was not their plan, that they would just return the snaptured to the present made me believe even more that there would be a reset. That their original plan wouldn't for some reason work, and at the end in some desperate measure they would have been forced to reset the things instead. But this didn't happen.
One of the core concepts of superhero stories is that it is like our world, except there is superheroes, and possibly some occasional super dangers. And whilst this would realistically affect the world more than is commonly depicted, this is something my disbelief suspensors can still handle. However, half of people vanishing would utterly change the world. Many areas would descend in to Mad Max style post apoc hellscape, social order would collapse, economy would collapse, people would be irrecoverably scarred psychologically. And then the world would be changed again, when the people return. This simply cannot be ignored. The world would no longer be analogous to our world in any meaningful degree. So either they deal with this, and now these superheoers inhabit some world which is completely changed and no longer relatable to us at all, or they just brush it under the carpet which would be several magnitudes more ludicrous than any superpower any of the characters have. (Apparently in the new Spidey film they basically do the latter.) And yes, it is a superhero film, we already need to suspend our disbelief for many things, but this is really not something I can suspend it for. YMMV.
I only now saw this and I have very mixed feelings. I was very pleasantly surprised how the film began. I had expected with just more boring Thanos posturing and tedious CGI smackdown, but in first fifteen minutes of the film me get Thanos farming his space tomatoes and then unceremoniously beheaded. This was unexpected and good. I always found Thanos to be lame villain, even in the comics. And here is plan was just utterly stupid. Whilst killing half of living being is horrendous, it ultimately will have no real impact toward his ultimate gial. In couple of decades or at least centuries, the populations are back to where they were, in a cosmic timescale it is not even a fraction of an eyeblink. I know they did their best to show his perspective, but it really didn't work. Ultimately he is just a boring GCI boogieman with a stupid plan. I found myself losing interest always when he appeared.
BUt I was pleased with the time heist aspect. It was much interesting than merely battling Thanos would have been and it was very well executed. Albeit I really didn't appreciate how much of a joke they made Thor into. He was the character who in a sense had most realistic reaction to the events in the sense that he was utterly broken and changed. But it was played for laughs. Whilst the initial humorous reveal of his current state would have worked as an emotional rollercoaster for getting the audience from laughing to realising that this was actually tragic, they should have stopped with the jokes after that.
I really didn't like how Natasha was fridged either. A female character being killed to galvanise the resolve of the male heroes just left a bad taste in my mouth.
Other emotional aspects worked frighteningly well. I knew Tony would die, I had not avoided spoilers. I saw it coming yet it hist me really hard. I was bawling like a baby. He was my favourite character in this franchise, and one of my all time favourites in any franchise. But his story was told well. I'm sad he is dead, but it was a touching and fitting end.
But then to my biggest gripe, which weirdly enough is not an issue with the film, or indeed the whole infinity arc as an independent story. If this was truly then end, then it would be a fine end. But it isn't, and as a part of the ongoing franchise, the resolution is an gigantic can of cosmic space worms. I was expecting some sort of a reset. The Avengers clearly stating that this was not their plan, that they would just return the snaptured to the present made me believe even more that there would be a reset. That their original plan wouldn't for some reason work, and at the end in some desperate measure they would have been forced to reset the things instead. But this didn't happen.
One of the core concepts of superhero stories is that it is like our world, except there is superheroes, and possibly some occasional super dangers. And whilst this would realistically affect the world more than is commonly depicted, this is something my disbelief suspensors can still handle. However, half of people vanishing would utterly change the world. Many areas would descend in to Mad Max style post apoc hellscape, social order would collapse, economy would collapse, people would be irrecoverably scarred psychologically. And then the world would be changed again, when the people return. This simply cannot be ignored. The world would no longer be analogous to our world in any meaningful degree. So either they deal with this, and now these superheoers inhabit some world which is completely changed and no longer relatable to us at all, or they just brush it under the carpet which would be several magnitudes more ludicrous than any superpower any of the characters have. (Apparently in the new Spidey film they basically do the latter.) And yes, it is a superhero film, we already need to suspend our disbelief for many things, but this is really not something I can suspend it for. YMMV.
There's a reason they said they were going to be doing more off-world cosmic stuff after Endgame and focus less on the team ups. It's so that by the time we get a really good look at Earth it'll be years later and the Heroes have worked their asses off to get things stable.
Hell, Far From Home took place like 18 months after Endgame?
It doesn't really matter. Even if all the king's horses and all the king's men have superpowers they couldn't put this shit back together again.
That isn't remotely the case. The heroes of both genders were 100% on board with the mission when they undertook it, and Nat ended up a casualty of the mission. She wasn't even murdered; she killed herself to fulfill a mystical quest requirement. If you don't like that one of the few female characters was offed, that's perfectly fine, but that doesn't justify a blatant misuse of the term "fridging," and a serious misreading of the story.
True, and exploring the fallout of all that would be fascinating to see. But, it won't happen.
With the resources and tech of Wakanda and the Guardians and the remaining Asgardians...I think they could.
Perhaps materially, but not politically, societally or psychologically.
As much as I love the entirety of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, I kind of have to agree with this.
#thanoswasright.How long until we get a story in which some nutcase targets Avengers because he liked the Snap, and didn't want everyone back? That's a lot of abusive domestic partners, criminals, and all-around jerkwads our heroes restored to the world...
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Yep.
How long until we get a story in which some nutcase targets Avengers because he liked the Snap, and didn't want everyone back? That's a lot of abusive domestic partners, criminals, and all-around jerkwads our heroes restored to the world...
Actually, a realistic approach would address any of the surviving government's power brokers who turned the snap's effect into their advantage (invading nations, claiming their resources, etc.) but the reversal sank said advantage. No one can say that those with the most to lose (pre-snap) and gain (post-snap) were just sitting around twiddling their thumbs when half of the population vanished.
