Spoilers Avengers: Endgame grade and discussion thread

[BeatleJWOL]

This film was chock-full of fanservice from the very first scene with "what was Hawkeye up to" finally answered, for those who must see things on screen to accept them.

Perfectly pandering. As all things...aw, forget it.

 

[Set Harth]

In fact i'd dare say Okoye and Black Widow vs Proxima Midnight is one of my favourite parts of IW.

Shoutout to Wanda throwing Proxima Midnight into the wheely-machine.

 

[ichab]

Let’s see:

• Professor Hulk
• Any of the time travel sequences, particularly when they re-enter scenes from old movies and the cameos
• The bit recreating the elevator scene in Winter Soldier
• The final battle. Not just one segment. The entire thing.
• The funeral
• Sam getting the shield
• Peggy and Cap dancing at the end

I’m not saying the fan service in this movie wasn’t well done or earned. I’m just saying that it’s pandering towards its fans. That’s totally what I expected in this movie. And that’s what we got.

And for the record, I loved the movie. But I honestly get sick of people trying to make huge deal out of little moments. I’m a white, cisgender, heterosexual male. I thought the moment with the women fighting was nice. I thought the moment in Infinity War was better executed, but I didn’t have a problem with this one.

I didn't have an issue with that scene either. It was so quick I hardly even noticed it. I wasn't a big fan of "professor Hulk" and would have preferred the return of the real Hulk at some point. And I don't see how anyone couldn't see the fanservice as the entire movie was dripping in it. I look at it as a nice payoff for following a ten year storyline.

 

[Set Harth]

Sam Wilson rather than crazy Bucky will be the new Captain America

Makes sense on one level... the gulf in charisma between Chris Evans and Sebastian Stan is immeasurable.

On the other hand, using the original as our template, shouldn't Captain America be more than a normal human, some kind of supersoldier?

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Makes sense on one level... the gulf in charisma between Chris Evans and Sebastian Stan is immeasurable.

On the other hand, using the original as our template, shouldn't Captain America be more than a normal human, some kind of supersoldier?

I always figured that Falcon and Black widow were taking doses of the super serum off screen to be able to keep up with the rest of the avengers.

 

[Campe]

And I don't see how anyone couldn't see the fanservice as the entire movie was dripping in it. I look at it as a nice payoff for following a ten year storyline.

Marvel earned the right to show this much fan service in one sitting. If they had done this sort of thing with the first Avengers movie, I probably would have cringed and stopped watching. But it worked because they as the creators and we as the audience had the patience to reach this point together. As I've suggested previously, if I hadn't seen all of the previous installments, I would have found Endgame to be a bloated mess of fan service. My wife and I were going to go together opening Sunday as our last date before our first baby came. Well, the baby (and the doctors) decided we needed to push that up a bit. I was willing to cancel our tickets, but my wife told me to go. My parents were in town and I considered taking my dad, who has not seen a single Marvel movie. I decided against it as he would be bored to tears, instead taking a friend who is just as big of a nerd as I am. It was the right choice. The movie really is not easily accessible** to those who haven't seen at least some of the previous installments. That, in itself, is a lot of fan service.

*Said friend, also a white, cisgender, straight male, also had no problem with the scene in question.
**Note I said "easily accessible." I'm sure people could see it and somewhat keep up, but there's a lot that goes on that just isn't easy to swallow if you haven't.

 

[Soong-type Android]

white, cisgender, straight male

You left out their height and blood type.

 

[Campe]

You left out their height and blood type.

I'm in healthcare administration. I've gotta de-identify data. HIPAA and all that.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

On the other hand, using the original as our template, shouldn't Captain America be more than a normal human, some kind of supersoldier?

That ran through my mind as well. I'm not a huge Marvel nut so I was trying to remember if Falcon had enhanced strength (we know superheroes all have enhanced durability...).

 

[Soong-type Android]

That ran through my mind as well. I'm not a huge Marvel nut so I was trying to remember if Falcon had enhanced strength (we know superheroes all have enhanced durability...).

It didn't much difference when Falcon was made Captain America in the comics.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

It didn't much difference when Falcon was made Captain America in the comics.

Comics Cap isn't supposed to have super strength anyway.

 

[crookeddy]

Comics Cap isn't supposed to have super strength anyway.

He has the maximum strength a human can have. No more no less.

 

[publiusr]

I don't understand why you're going to lengths with these suggestions when the visual and audio cues directly support the idea that Tony's snap simply killed all of them, just as Thanos did originally.

Here is my problem with the movie. Iron Man should have lived. he only killed the invaders, not half the populace of the Marvel universe. That should not have overloaded the gauntlet.

Cover your face with the helmet, put your hand on the other side of the rock--get a force field--then snap...you drunk...

He has the maximum strength a human can have. No more no less.

He's Batman/Slade level--maybe a tad more.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Here is my problem with the movie. Iron Man should have lived. he only killed the invaders, not half the populace of the Marvel universe. That should not have overloaded the gauntlet.

Cover your face with the helmet, put your hand on the other side of the rock--get a force field--then snap...you drunk...



He's Batman/Slade level--maybe a tad more.

Why not? He is a human. Quill Whois half celestial couldn’t wield just the power stone on his own.
Just carrying all 6 nearly cripples Hulk.

 

[nutshell]

Exactly.

And no more Marvel...or Lucasfilm...or Disney movies would be shown in mainland China either until the next regime change in Beijing. And maybe, not even then.

So Disney HQ made a choice to pass an obedience test.

Or maybe Disney decided to forego using a stereotypical character and instead landed an amazing actress who still embodies the essence of the character.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Here is my problem with the movie. Iron Man should have lived. he only killed the invaders, not half the populace of the Marvel universe. That should not have overloaded the gauntlet.

Cover your face with the helmet, put your hand on the other side of the rock--get a force field--then snap...you drunk...



He's Batman/Slade level--maybe a tad more.

Except they already explained that wielding all six stones at once created massive amounts of energy. It doesn't matter what the task was for, the very act is what caused the damage to Tony's body.

 

[Nyotarules]

Except they already explained that wielding all six stones at once created massive amounts of energy. It doesn't matter what the task was for, the very act is what caused the damage to Tony's body.

Agreed, it was why Hulk volunteered to do the first snap, he said he was the only one that can do it and survive due to the gamma radiation in his body

 

[Noname Given]

WTF:

Where did old man Captain America get the new shield from considering it was destroyed in the battle with Thanos?

Why did Doctor Strange say to Stark he couldn't tell him if this was the one version of events he saw where they would be successful as it wouldn't work only for moments later to raise his finger to indicate it was the one version, leading to Stark to grab the Infinity Gauntlet?

1) Peggy probably had Howard Stark make a second one, whichn 'Old Cap' kept (and hell may have used from time to time during all those years).

2) Because Dr. Starange saw EXACTLY what he needed to do and say (and when) to get this one 'winning' timeline to come out the way it needed to...and that's EXACTLY what he did.

 

[Duncan MacLeod]

Except they already explained that wielding all six stones at once created massive amounts of energy. It doesn't matter what the task was for, the very act is what caused the damage to Tony's body.

But they didn't need to use all six stones. Only one. The Time Stone.

"Time stone, freeze time for all these invading hordes." Snap!
"Thor would you please drop all these time frozen people into the sun."
And finally after Thanos and his cronies disappear into the heart of the uncontrolled thermonuclear explosion we call the Sun. "Unfreeze." Snap!

 

[publiusr]

Or another stone. Heack, could Stark have not used the shielding of some Hulkbuster armor?