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How do you rate Avengers: Endgame?


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I take it you had not watched any of the 150,000 YouTube videos on the subject, with many claiming Hemsworth and Cheadle's replies to or about Larson meant they "hated" her. Its clear they were messing with her / the interviewers, much in the way Anthony Mackie and Sebastian Stan have a string of clips where they're obviously teasing Tom Holland as if they're irritated by him.
Nope. I have better things to do in life than waste my time watching people whine on YouTube.
 
Exactly. Given the era in which most characters were created it was natural to have them be predominantly white male, but there is nothing to say that a contemporary reboot of most characters should not be constrained by this rule. Clark Kent, Bruce Wayne, and Tony Stark are not defined by their skin color.
Nowadays it's easier to make a white character non-white, there are non-white smart\rich people on the same level as Bill Gates or Tony Stark etc...
With non-white characters their skin-color and background are what makes them them, so you can't just make Black Panther white, or Luke Cage or Amadeus Cho...
 
Nowadays it's easier to make a white character non-white, there are non-white smart\rich people on the same level as Bill Gates or Tony Stark etc...
With non-white characters their skin-color and background are what makes them them, so you can't just make Black Panther white, or Luke Cage or Amadeus Cho...
What about The Ancient One?
 
Her reality is only new if the stone is taken

That's hardly the only way the dialogue in question can be read.

Not to mention, if multiple realities existing is normal then there's actually no particular reason to return all the stones.

???

What they hammered on over and over again was that you can't change your past or change your future by changing your past and time travel doesn't work like in the movies.

Doubling down on single timeline is a funny way of showing that your time travel doesn't work like in the movies, isn't it? Single timeline with its problematic issues IS how time travel usually works in the movies.
 
That's hardly the only way the dialogue in question can be read.

I never said it was. I said your reading isn't the only way it can be read.



The infinity stones are dangerous. If taking them back to undo the creation of alternate universes isn't necessary (despite the use of phrases like 'erase' and 'trim the branches') because alternate universes always exist anyway, then why would you return the mind stone to a place where and when you know it will be abused by Hydra? Why return the reality, space, power and soul stones to places where you know they'll likely eventually be picked up by their own universes version of Thanos?

The only other plausible reason you could possibly pull out of the dialog is that the stones are necessary to the defense of people, but that only applies to the time stone.

Doubling down on single timeline is a funny way of showing that your time travel doesn't work like in the movies, isn't it? Single timeline with its problematic issues IS how time travel usually works in the movies.

Single timeline isn't what they were making fun of. They were making fun of movies that say changing your past changes your present/future. A fixed single timeline where the past can't be changed no matter what you do has, to the best of my recollection, only really been done in 12 Monkeys (at least in regards to popular films), which I'm pretty sure they didn't name drop as a bad example.
 
I left with this vague feeling that it was good but it felt like it should have been better somehow but I'm not sure if this was a failing of the movie or just that wrapping up such a huge epic was going to feel disappointing in some way no matter what. It didn't drag but I wouldn't say that viewing time just disappeared while watching and some of the intro/denouement stuff was long (and again probably would've felt cheated had it been less). EDIT: geez, that reads more negative than I intended, I did enjoy it but I wasn't buzzing like I'd hoped afterwards

I thought Captain Marvel was kind of bookended in and not as well integrated as say Ant-Man but with her powerset I guess it's hard to work her in and ultimately she hasn't been an Avenger really and this is their story. I could've done without the well-intentioned but cornball "Hey, we're the MCU women!" moment which just took me out of the scene there at the end.

I've got it bad, seen it 4 times!:guffaw:
My ass is having sympathy pains.
 
I couldn't possibly care less about dudes who roll their eyes over that scene. The only thing that matters to me was the absolute glee in the face of my friends 8 year old daughter when she saw it.

Anyway, Katherine Langford's cut role has been revealed as a teenage version of Tony Stark's daughter that Tony would have encountered in the soul stone after snapping away Thanos.

https://mcuexchange.com/katherine-l...gYcaBdpmZWWPy1sruJtBCqEfJ2mcywmISuElOYhLBbJDo
 
Went to see it again tonight. Fantastic. Hit all the same emotional high and low points as my first viewing. Might need to watch this 3 times.

I'm quite sure that Captain America went back and lived in another alternate timeline. What Hulk says at the end is that he needs to return the stones to prevent any nasty alternate timelines cropping up. Not the removal of actual alternate timelines. As they explained it quite well, nothing changes their past.

. I could've done without the well-intentioned but cornball "Hey, we're the MCU women!" moment which just took me out of the scene there at the end.
After 11 years of creating these characters on screen haven't they earned it? It was well done and considering that it's a boy, Spiderman that they are protecting I think it has more than just a hey "they're women". You could view it as a motherly protection of innocent youth.
 
Considering the movie went out of its way to explain how its version of time travel worked, it did a pretty good job of sticking to its established rules. Past Captain America thought he was fighting Loki, Thor talking with his mother who obviously doesn't reveal their conversation, and Tony snapping Thanos and his army back to their own timelines without any recollection of what happened. Those all seem to hold up for me. We just have to assume that Steve was able to live secrety in the past without anybody discovering his identity who made it public knowledge. Anything missing?
Thanos and his crew were snapped out of existence not returned in time
If I was Hulk I'd snapped only the good people and leave the evil ones dead
Also, take in to account that over the past ten years the MCU has been predominantly white male main characters. Phase IV will have the MCU trying to balance the scales a little, but can you imagine the reaction if the MCU had a goal to have fifty percent of their heroes be female? That would mean ten years of women being leads in the MCU.
And have some men clutch their pearls or their balls in protest?
 
After 11 years of creating these characters on screen haven't they earned it? It was well done and considering that it's a boy, Spiderman that they are protecting I think it has more than just a hey "they're women". You could view it as a motherly protection of innocent youth.
Time and place. At that moment in the movie it just felt like the wrong time to me at least.

Would the scene have been better if they played "Sisters Are Doing It for Themselves" in the background? Probably not, because that would be too much and take you out of the moment. That's what I'm saying the scene did for me.

I apologize for starting a thread of conversation I'm sure no one wanted.
 
I couldn't possibly care less about dudes who roll their eyes over that scene. The only thing that matters to me was the absolute glee in the face of my friends 8 year old daughter when she saw it.

Anyway, Katherine Langford's cut role has been revealed as a teenage version of Tony Stark's daughter that Tony would have encountered in the soul stone after snapping away Thanos.

https://mcuexchange.com/katherine-l...gYcaBdpmZWWPy1sruJtBCqEfJ2mcywmISuElOYhLBbJDo

I like the idea and they should of done it with the Daughter we saw onscreen.
 
Or nothing you do when you go back in time is new. It always happened, you just didn't know about it before.
I went back and forth so many times about including "time travel is a closed loop" in the post, but I figured it was so totally ruled out by the film there was no reason to bring it up. There's no way Loki escaped with the tesseract in between the last few scenes of The Avengers, there's no room for Quill to have been knocked out at the beginning of Guardians of the Galaxy, and I don't even want to count the number of movies that rule out Thanos and all his minions vanishing never to return in 2014.
 
Did you miss the bit where Doctor Strange explicitly said that if you tell people the future it basically prevents that future happening?

I think that was Strange deflecting to keep Tony from being distracted. He clearly indicates later (with a single finger, in true Master of the Mystical Arts fashion) that yes, this is that one timeline.
 
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