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Spoilers Avengers: Endgame grade and discussion thread

How do you rate Avengers: Endgame?


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That's not equal at all. That's revenge casting and trying to shove views down people's throats. Female heroes aren't owed a thing. Neither are heroes of color. I could only imagine the reaction to people saying, "yes! White males! White male power! We need more white males!" Liberals would cry.

Instead of bringing affirmative action into it, how about just making good heroes without intentionally trying to show how woke they are?

When it's organic, it's great. What happened with Arya Stark is a perfect example of that. It wasn't a staged "girl power" moment. It was organic to the story and absolutely perfect, regardless of gender.

Until writers lose the chip on their shoulders, you will never see equality.
You're literally complaining about a movie that doesn't exist because it may only star female superheros. Calm down.
 
I guess Ocean's 8 pissed you off
Didn't watch it. Did watch the new Ghostbusters (and didn't find it all that bad actually).
I just don't like extremes, nothing good comes from extremes. But it's ok, it's 2019, need to get with the program:
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That's not equal at all. That's revenge casting and trying to shove views down people's throats. Female heroes aren't owed a thing. Neither are heroes of color. I could only imagine the reaction to people saying, "yes! White males! White male power! We need more white males!" Liberals would cry.

Instead of bringing affirmative action into it, how about just making good heroes without intentionally trying to show how woke they are?

When it's organic, it's great. What happened with Arya Stark is a perfect example of that. It wasn't a staged "girl power" moment. It was organic to the story and absolutely perfect, regardless of gender.

Until writers lose the chip on their shoulders, you will never see equality.
Thats exactly what we need, even more White Men hogging all the toys and pretending 51% of the planet have no money and all those white male minorities are the default humans of the universe.
Poor white men, how have they survived millennia of privilege I'll never know
 
But if they used the Bifrost, would that not mean that Heimdall would be aware of future Thor's existence? I thought someone has to be on the Asgard end of the Bifrost for it to work...
Stormbreaker can summon the bifrost. Presumably, Heimdall would have known future Thor and Rocket were there.
 
Thats exactly what we need even more White Men hogging all the toys and pretending 51% of the planet have no money and all those white male minorities are the default humans of the universe.
Poor white men how have they survived millennia of privilege I'll never know
It has to be all about them or how else will their egos handle it. They need to be constantly reminded of how great they are or all is lost. Even Captain Marvel was a step too far because she was treated too positively.
 
That's what sold. And that's how the characters were written and developed. You'd have a point if say, a female character or a person of color was changed into a white male. That would be racism/sexism, as it is when it's done the other way. If you want a character that's of a certain race/gender, create one.

And if you want true equality, you don't make a big deal out of it. You don't see Steve Rogers puffing out his chest because he's a white male. You don't see a group of male characters highlighted specifically because of their gender. It would be stupid, just like it's stupid the other way.

With the exception of that one moment, Endgame did everything perfect when it came to gender. It didn't matter that these heroes were male or female. They were just heroes. That's how it should be.

Thats exactly what we need, even more White Men hogging all the toys and pretending 51% of the planet have no money and all those white male minorities are the default humans of the universe.
Poor white men, how have they survived millennia of privilege I'll never know

It is absolutely amazing how racist this post is. Imagine substituting another race for "white" and seeing the reaction. The open hate for people of a race or gender, even white males, should not be tolerated.
 
That's what sold. And that's how the characters were written and developed. You'd have a point if say, a female character or a person of color was changed into a white male. That would be racism/sexism, as it is when it's done the other way. If you want a character that's of a certain race/gender, create one.

And if you want true equality, you don't make a big deal out of it. You don't see Steve Rogers puffing out his chest because he's a white male. You don't see a group of male characters highlighted specifically because of their gender. It would be stupid, just like it's stupid the other way.

With the exception of that one moment, Endgame did everything perfect when it came to gender. It didn't matter that these heroes were male or female. They were just heroes. That's how it should be.



It is absolutely amazing how racist this post is. Imagine substituting another race for "white" and seeing the reaction. The open hate for people of a race or gender, even white males, should not be tolerated.
And you think your shut the door, 'why shove changes down our delicate throats' expressed a welcome party attitude? Your words reek of racial and sexual patronisation
 
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https://news.yahoo.com/avengers-endgame-writers-break-silence-134400578.html
McFeely and Markus then opened up about why the movie made it clear that altering the past does not change the present.

"It was by necessity," McFeely said. "If you have six MacGuffins and every time you go back it changes something, you've got Biff's casino [in Back to the Future Part II], exponentially. So we just couldn't do that.

"We had physicists come in – more than one – who said, basically, Back to the Future is [wrong]."
So, if I'm reading this correctly, their theory is you can change the past, it just doesn't affect the present?
 
And you think you're shut the door, why shove changes down our delicate throats expressed a welcome party attitude? Your words reek of racial and sexual patronisation

On the contrary, it's called equality, something you are having issues with, given your hate toward white males. You don't want equality--you want to punish white males for some reason.

Loved Black Panther--it was just a heroic movie, not a movie about race. Loved Wonder Woman--a heroic movie, not a movie about gender. The heroes just happen to be created that way and it's great.

It's when writers and fans have a chip on their shoulder that it should be called out. Marvel for the most part doesn't do that. It did in that one shot which was clearly patronizing to those who only see gender and think that girls can only find other girls heroic and need a scene like that.
 
On the contrary, it's called equality, something you are having issues with, given your hate toward white males. You don't want equality--you want to punish white males for some reason.

Loved Black Panther--it was just a heroic movie, not a movie about race. Loved Wonder Woman--a heroic movie, not a movie about gender. The heroes just happen to be created that way and it's great.

It's when writers and fans have a chip on their shoulder that it should be called out. Marvel for the most part doesn't do that. It did in that one shot which was clearly patronizing to those who only see gender and think that girls can only find other girls heroic and need a scene like that.
Hate white males? No
Hate when white males whine when reminded there are other humans on the planet and they are not the only people to be shown on a TV, stage and movie screen? Yes
 
On the contrary, it's called equality, something you are having issues with, given your hate toward white males. You don't want equality--you want to punish white males for some reason.
No, we just want to see movies with heroes who look like us. Something you take for granted.

And no, no one hates white males. You clearly have some issue with everyone else since you react so dramatically to everyone else.

Loved Black Panther--it was just a heroic movie, not a movie about race. Loved Wonder Woman--a heroic movie, not a movie about gender. The heroes just happen to be created that way and it's great.
Black Panther is very much about race, racism and the systematic oppression of black people by western civilization is the central motivation of Killmonger who is treated as being right in the end and changed T'Calla's mind. Wonder Women is also about gender, people constantly react to her because she doesn't understand the gender norms at the time and ends up changing the minds of her allies. They are hero movies, but they're also about a lot more while being extremely entertaining.

It's when writers and fans have a chip on their shoulder that it should be called out. Marvel for the most part doesn't do that. It did in that one shot which was clearly patronizing to those who only see gender and think that girls can only find other girls heroic and need a scene like that.
You're actually the one who seems to be obsessed with gender. It's only equality to you if you're in the lead. True equality would be a male superhero for every single female superhero. There would also be a lot more heroes of other races, some LGBTQ heroes who have yet to appear in any film, and a lot fewer white men because they are far from the majority in terms of the population.
 
Quick question (and apologies, but I have not siphoned through all the pages of commentary in this thread) - how did Rocket and Thor get to Asgard in the past. I understand the movie's mechanism for time travel, but they jumped from Earth, so how did they then get to the Asgard of the past. All the others traveling off world had ships and such. Is this just an unexplained plot hole or did I miss something?
Thor obviously had coordinates they could use (he used to go there all the time.) ;)
 
Loved Black Panther--it was just a heroic movie, not a movie about race.

:guffaw:Good one.

The heroes just happen to be created that way and it's great.

None of them happen to be anything. They're fictional characters. They're intentionally made a certain way. It's not like stories are eggs that writers lay and it's all "Welp, looks like it's another white, male protagonist. Oh well, nothin' I can do about it."
 
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