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How do you rate Avengers: Endgame?


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2. Doesn't Steve going back to have a relationship with Agent Carter impact the Timeline. Heck, the Orville just did something to that effect, how a choice we make impacts our lives. So Steve goes back to the 70s, has a relationship with Peggy, does this mean he's not captain America? The other Steve is Frozen so this Steve basically doesn't exist and that's how nothing changes?

No. Steve's final journey is to go back into the past. It was always meant to happen.

Frozen Steve will wake up and go through all this again and then finally end up in the past.


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Anyone notice that when Clint got a call from Laura, she was calling from her mobile phone? Apparently Clint kept paying the bills for five years as if she might reappear at any moment. He must have been in a really weird place.

I felt kind of cheated by the Hulk arc. We never really got an explanation for what was going on with Hulk in IW, or exactly how the situation was resolved. Just fast forward five years and there’s PH.

Also, is PH’s personality supposed to be some kind of merging of Banner and Hulk, or is it just Banner? It seems like Hulk’s personality is gone, and Banner basically killed him while taking over his body.

I was also a little bummed Drax didn’t get much to do. His whole character arc is about revenge on Thanos, and now that Thanos has been disposed of (twice!) without Drax playing much of a role in it, there seems to be no way to bring satisfying closure to that arc.

My favorite moment was Tony getting to spend a little time with his Dad. Wish I could spend some more time with my Dad.

Question: when PH reverse-Snapped, did he just bring back those who disintegrated in the Snap, or did he also reverse all the secondary deaths around it (e.g., the passengers on a plane that crashed when the pilots disintegrated)?

Another thought: the ecological problem Thanos was seeking to avoid is far worse now. Kill half of all life and wait five years, and the remaining life will quickly expand to fill the ecological niches that were emptied. Then bring all the dead back, and you’ve suddenly got a universe that is considerably more overpopulated than it was before.

I kind of like it when movies leave questions like this. What if Thanos was right? What if Ultron was right? It could be that the heroes doomed humanity by defeating these villains. That might be an interesting direction to explore in future films.
 
Anyone notice that when Clint got a call from Laura, she was calling from her mobile phone? Apparently Clint kept paying the bills for five years as if she might reappear at any moment. He must have been in a really weird place.

I felt kind of cheated by the Hulk arc. We never really got an explanation for what was going on with Hulk in IW, or exactly how the situation was resolved. Just fast forward five years and there’s PH.

Also, is PH’s personality supposed to be some kind of merging of Banner and Hulk, or is it just Banner? It seems like Hulk’s personality is gone, and Banner basically killed him while taking over his body.

Banner seemed more frat-boyish as Banner-Hulk. I was wondering if he wasn't as smart, but he certainly handled the technical stuff fine (except for the initial kid, baby, old man Ant-man)
 
How so? Without it, she wouldn't have rescued Tony and without Tony, they wouldn't have been able to construct the time portal. And she destroyed Sanctuary II. And she fought pretty damn hard during the climactic battle.
Ah maybe. I was thinking she just found him on her own and that scene never happened in Endgame since they never mentioned it. Oh fine have it your way ;)
 
Ah maybe. I was thinking she just found him on her own and that scene never happened in Endgame since they never mentioned it. Oh fine have it your way ;)
I was kind of surprised that scene wasn’t included in the film. If you didn’t see the CM stinger or the trailer that included that scene, you have no idea how she showed up.
 
She showed up in the post credits scene in Captain Marvel and asked for Fury.
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I was kind of surprised that scene wasn’t included in the film. If you didn’t see the CM stinger or the trailer that included that scene, you have no idea how she showed up.
If someone wanted an easily accessible film out of Endgame, then they came to the wrong place. That stinger was good enough and allowed Carol to have a dramatic entrance we she arrived to rescue Tony and Nebula.
 
“Hail Hydra”


Did anyone notice how bad-ASS Thanos was? He could wield Stormbreaker, fought off hero after hero withOUT the Gauntlet, almost destroyed Cap’s shield, held off Captain Marvel at full strength, he was CRAZY!!! Easily the most impressive villain in the MCU.
It was wonderful to see them really flesh him out, and make his defeat so costly it felt like a real victory. Fantastic character, fully realized, logically developed and completely whole in his motivations and processes.

The film(s) wouldn’t work without such a high quality Thanos. Hats off to Josh Brolin and the CGI team that brought him to life.
 
The movie is more about the original Avengers than anything else. It's more important to show them at first than setup Captain Marvel coming to save the day. That's why it's at the end of Captain Marvel, she promised Fury that she'd return if he called her and she did. Repeating the scene would have been pointless and distracted from their story because that scene was more about her arc than theirs.
 
So, if you were watching everything strictly chronologically, you would go from The Infinity War post credit scene to the Ant-Man and the Wasp post credit scene, to the first scene of Endgame with Hawkeye, then to the Captain Marvel post credit scene and then finally to the rest of the Endgame movie.
 
Another “did anyone notice?” moment: How seamlessly Ant-Man integrated into the Original Avengers? Paul Rudd is a genius. Ant-Man got the ball rolling as to Ultimate Fix, found his place with the team, provided some of the best lines (That’s AMERICA’S ass!) and played a LARGE role (sorry) in the final battle.
He was great, and Paul Rudd’s acting at the Vanished memorial and when he reunited with his daughter was quite excellent.
 
So, if you were watching everything strictly chronologically, you would go from The Avengers post credit scene to the Ant-Man and the Wasp end credits scene, to the first scene of Endgame with Hawkeye, then to the Captain Marvel post credit scene and then finally to the rest of the Endgame movie.
More or less. I actually think it's more important to watch them in release order because they flow better that way.
 
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