Spoilers Avatar: The Way of Water (2022) - Full Spoiler & Review Thread

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How would you rate this movie?

  1. 10 out of 10 - Mighty.

    11 vote(s)
    26.8%
  2. 9 out of 10 - This movie connects all things. Before your birth, and after your death.

    10 vote(s)
    24.4%
  3. 8 out of 10 - Strong Heart.

    11 vote(s)
    26.8%
  4. 7 out of 10 - Wherever we go, this movie is our fortress.

    3 vote(s)
    7.3%
  5. 6 out of 10 - This is where we make our stand.

    2 vote(s)
    4.9%
  6. 5 out of 10 - That's all you take, you just waste the rest?

    1 vote(s)
    2.4%
  7. 4 out of 10 - I took you under my wing. You betrayed me.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. 3 out of 10 - Outcast. That's all I see.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. 2 out of 10 - That's why I drink.

    1 vote(s)
    2.4%
  10. 1 out of 10 - I cannot allow you to bring your movie here.

    2 vote(s)
    4.9%
  1. ashleytinger

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    Yes it absolutely helped with the action sequences
     
  2. David cgc

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    Another thumbs up for the variable frame-rate. It looked a little weird in the Avatar 1 re-release, but I think part of that was that I wasn't expecting it. Here, I got used to it fairly quickly, around the time the kids all visited the science lab, and I think switching it up was actually better than just having the entire movie at 48 or 96 or whatever. There's a theory in visual effects that it helps to switch up techniques frequently between shots (or, with modern video compositing, within shots) to keep the audience from getting used to the "tells" of any given shot, so they have no choice but to accept that, say, the creature they're looking at is real, because half the times it's doing stuff a puppet couldn't do, and half the time it's integrated into its environment in a way difficult for a CG creature. I think only having high frame-rate shots sometimes helped avoid the soap-opera effect the same way.

    On the other hand, maybe I got too used to it. I haven't seen anything that says the movie ever dipped below 24 frames a second, but I could've sworn a couple of the shots of the whale-hunter guys on the speedboat were at 12 FPS, but maybe I just got so used to 48 that "normal" film speed started to look stuttery. It might also have been a persistence-of-vision thing with the projector not flickering the right way for a moment, who knows.
     
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    TWOW is on track to be at least the all-time #5 film domestically probably the #4. It may land at #3 worldwide but to do that will have to bump past...Titanic (Avatar remains #1).

    It's doing okay for a franchise that's had "no cultural impact." :cool:
     
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  5. ashleytinger

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    I do love all the articles calling it a failure. We're loving in a post-covid high streaming world. Even with as many people who have gone to see it in theaters, there's a bunch that are waiting for at home options because of the pandemic
     
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  6. Serveaux

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    Anyone calling the film a failure now is just looking for unearned attention. It's clickbait.
     
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  7. Smellmet

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    Should get past Titanic no problem now, though I can't see it getting near to Endgame. I think it will finish around 2.3-2.4bn now with the holds it's been getting.
     
  8. Kai "the spy"

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    Although Titanic might get another box office boost with its re-release in February.
     
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    Titanic is the one movie of his that doesn’t interest me in the slightest. Maybe because I know the ending. Shouldn’t have gone to that museum in Belfast
     
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  10. Serveaux

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    I have fond memories of taking my nine year-old daughter to see Titanic in the theater. It was my weekend with her. Her friends had seen it.

    "I brought Kleenex for when we cry," she informed me as we settled into our seats.

    "I don't cry at these things," I told her, and she gave me a wise, skeptical look.

    "Daddy, everybody cries at this movie."

    We used up the Kleenex.
     
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  11. Mr. Adventure

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    I only really noticed the frame rate (I think) during some of the action sequences. It certainly wasn't intrusive. I was thinking though that a lot of videos on youtube are now at 60fps, video games might be 120+ depending on your hardware, TVs can do their own interpolation, so we might have become more accustomed that it isn't as noticeable as it once was.
     
  12. Smellmet

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    I noticed it early on in the film, but by the time they got to the water clan I'd got used to it and didn't really notice it from there on.
     
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    I noticed it because I was in one of the screens which suffered a glitch with it
     
  14. Vger23

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    Beautiful looking movie. Great performances all around. Loved the themes about parenting/fatherhood/family. Good action. A little drawn out at times, but ultimately it was enjoyable. I thought it was as good as the original.

    8/10
     
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    I don't think it will surpass Titanic on this round. If it is re-released, then maybe. It is slowing down. I do think it will move past Avengers: Infinity War and Star Wars: The Force Awakens. I am looking forward to seeing Titanic again in February.
     
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  16. YellowSubmarine

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    I wonder if there's a deleted scene where Wainfleet sings “I'm blue, da ba di da ba dai”
     
  17. JirinPanthosa

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    But those all time gross figures are meaningless for historical comparison purposes unless you adjust for inflation. Adjusted for inflation it's #15 all time worldwide gross. Which is still pretty impressive, but not beating the highest all time draws.
     
  18. thribs

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    It is now the 6th film to reach 2 billion. Interesting that Zoe Saldaña has been in four of them. She certainly has made some good choices in her career.

    I’ll be seeing it again at the the BFI IMAX tomorrow. I can’t wait.
     
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  19. Kai "the spy"

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    Four Academy Awards nominations:

    - Best Sound
    - Best Production Design
    - Best Visual Effects
    - Best Picture

    Production Design and Visual Effects were pretty much a given, and I'd expect it to win for FX at least. Sound also not surprising, chances are not bad for a win there. Best Picture makes sense, because of the ten nomination slots and the desire to draw a large audience for the ceremony.
     
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  20. Serveaux

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    By rights it should be nominated for and win just about every technical award except editing - the Michelle Yeoh movie deserves that - and, maybe, sound.

    Best Picture? The nomination is a nice thing, but it has no chance.
     
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