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In the script (which is online), he kills Quarritch rather than let him go through life without his hair/penis. Was that equally heroic?
Does everything have to be heroic? Can't it just be self-defense? People are awfully hung up on whether each and every action is heroic, narcissistic, selfish (not the same thing, and being used way too interchangeably in this thread!) or whatever. I can handle a hero taking time out of his heroic quest to keep someone from castrating him, borrowed body or not. In the script, does he hear that Quarritch is after his haenis, track him down and murder him for it? Probably not.

That's just a dumb argument, right there ...

You misunderstand. In the script Quarritch survived the battle at the end, but had his hair/penis severed. So he asks Sully to kill him because he can never again use his hair/penis. Sully, instead of acting like a concerned person working a suicide hotline, takes a knife out and kills Quarritch. Go Sully!

You'd think such a critical component to life on the planet would "regrow"/regenerate or could've been surgically re-attached by the human doctors.
 
You misunderstand. In the script Quarritch survived the battle at the end, but had his hair/penis severed. So he asks Sully to kill him because he can never again use his hair/penis. Sully, instead of acting like a concerned person working a suicide hotline, takes a knife out and kills Quarritch. Go Sully!
Easy to misunderstand, since Quarritch was the colonel. I assume you mean Tsutey? The Na'vi that was his rival for Neytiri?

I think I see the problem - you've fixated on it as a penis. Think of it more as his eyes and ears to Eywa, his link to every other living thing in his world, the way he talks with God. Then think about how you would survive knowing your god was real, living and breathing, in everything around you, communicating with you and you with It, and suddenly you're blinded, deafened, and muted, cut off from your world and your very survival. To the Na'vi, Eywa isn't an abstraction - she's their literal "earth mother," a networked mind and the preserved memories of their ancestors.

He's not asking to be killed because he can't have sex any more! He's asking to be put out of his misery, the same way you would put a beloved pet - or a beloved family member - out of their suffering when they've become too debilitated or too wracked with pain to survive with any quality of life.

Did you actually watch this film? This relationship was made pretty clear.
 
You misunderstand. In the script Quarritch survived the battle at the end, but had his hair/penis severed. So he asks Sully to kill him because he can never again use his hair/penis. Sully, instead of acting like a concerned person working a suicide hotline, takes a knife out and kills Quarritch. Go Sully!
Easy to misunderstand, since Quarritch was the colonel. I assume you mean Tsutey? The Na'vi that was his rival for Neytiri?

Is that what's going on? I couldn't figure out who the hell he was talking about! :lol:
 
I was kind of confused too on what he was saying.

I was thinking in the script Jake cut off Quarritch's scar wich gturner was calling the "hair/penis" since the scar was on his hair and he was proud of it and made him all "manly" like it was his penis.
 
Wait, the Col. doesn't lose his penis in the script? I guess I can halt my mad dash to find that script.
 
I thought he was failing to mention an alternate version of the script where Quarritch got an Avatar body.
 
What I was actually looking for and didn't see in the movie (though maybe I just missed it) was for Sully and Neytiri to join their "hair penises" together when they were doin' it under that tree.

It got me thinking...could one Na'vi control another?
 
I think that in a removed scene, or in the script or something that'll be in the "extended cut" was when Jake and Uhurah'vi mate they connect their hair-USB ports to the ground/plantlife and pretty much experience sex from each other's point of view, connect with nature, and presumably with anyone else USB'ing around the planet. So you pretty much don't fuck your mate, you fuck nature, everyone else on the planet, and you feel it and experience it from all of those prespectives.
 
You misunderstand. In the script Quarritch survived the battle at the end, but had his hair/penis severed. So he asks Sully to kill him because he can never again use his hair/penis. Sully, instead of acting like a concerned person working a suicide hotline, takes a knife out and kills Quarritch. Go Sully!
Easy to misunderstand, since Quarritch was the colonel. I assume you mean Tsutey? The Na'vi that was his rival for Neytiri?

I think I see the problem - you've fixated on it as a penis. Think of it more as his eyes and ears to Eywa, his link to every other living thing in his world, the way he talks with God. Then think about how you would survive knowing your god was real, living and breathing, in everything around you, communicating with you and you with It, and suddenly you're blinded, deafened, and muted, cut off from your world and your very survival. To the Na'vi, Eywa isn't an abstraction - she's their literal "earth mother," a networked mind and the preserved memories of their ancestors.

He's not asking to be killed because he can't have sex any more! He's asking to be put out of his misery, the same way you would put a beloved pet - or a beloved family member - out of their suffering when they've become too debilitated or too wracked with pain to survive with any quality of life.

Did you actually watch this film? This relationship was made pretty clear.

Oops. Yeah, Tsutey.

I don't buy that. If being in occassional contact with Eywa was so great, how come Tsutey was such an arrogant dick?

Second, just because it was "their way" doesn't mean Sully should go along with it. In India they used to burn widows on the pyres of their husbands. They told the British it was their custom. The British replied that it was a British custom to hang people who burn women. The ritual stopped.

Third, losing your ability to ride animals, talk to 'god', or have sex isn't exactly a debilitating injury. If so, then 90% of the people on TrekBBS should just go ahead and kill themselves now, since they don't commonly ride animals, don't have conversations with God, and don't have sex.

The correct response from Sully isn't murder, it's barking, "Man up you little whiner!"

ETA: I assume that little scene was cut from the movie because it would've been upsetting and confusing to children.
 
Many of the ideas in Avatar are very familiar to things I've read in SF literature over the past twenty years. I found much of it visually interesting. That said the Navi are a disappointment. They're designed the way they are in order for the audience to easily identify with them, but there is no sense or logic to the way they look.

Having them being able to link with other animals (and each other) and Eywa is quite interesting, but they still look very much like North American aboriginals or Arawak indians only somewhat distorted in proportion, size and being blue.

Humanoid aliens abound in television SF because it's the most cost effective way to help tell your story. And yet even television SF has tried clever ways to use non humanoid aliens. A big budget project like Avatar could have done something better, but they chose not too. Unlike District 9 (and some others) who managed something more alien on a lot less money.

I dunno, the Prawns themselves are basically humanoid, at least as far as their body plan goes, and were even given human body language (downcast eyes equals one sad bug man :( ). Which is okay, it's pretty much to be expected in visual media. I didn't mind the Na'vi being humanoid, because the morphology might well be the best (controversial statement) for a technological civilization (which the Na'vi are, even if primitive).

I did mind that there are two entirely separate branches of crypto-chordates on Pandora, the quadrupeds, which include the Na'vi and the raptors, and the sextupeds, which include the direhorses (what a stupid, stupid name, possibly stolen from World of Warcraft) and the hammerheaded rhino-things. That wasn't impossible, although it stands as unlikely, but the cooperative evolution of every Goddamn thing on the planet, despite obvious and large phylogenetic divergences, in order to use a meat-based internet was just preposterous, unless they were built by the freakin' Q or something.

It was also totally unnecessary, even for the ending.
 
^Reading all these issues regarding crypto-chordates and what not makes me feel bad about my complaints. I hate movies where the good guy's success hinges on the incredible stupidity of the villians.

Here's the thing they've got transatmospheric shuttles load'em up with the explosives take off at night and climb to a cruising altitude of about ninety thousand feet or so. Set course for the Well of Souls. When they reach the right point lower the ramps nudge the sticks back let gravity take over. Everybody gathers in the mess hall to clink their glasses in celebration of the successful conclusion to Operation Gargemal's Wrath.
 
Considering how much flak Avatar is often taking I'm inclined to say that this movie is pretty underrated. :p Not that I would necessarily include it in my Top 10 sci-fi movies of all time or something like that (maybe Top 50).

One particular criticism I never understood are the "why don't they nuke the planet from orbit?" complaints. So, where in the movie was it stated that RDA owns or has access to nuclear weapons? Corporations surely don't own weapons of mass destruction nowadays. Neither was it mentioned that their starship is capable of towing large asteroids for orbital bombardment or something like that. Not to mention that the use of nuclear weapons would worsen the public relations disaster RDA had feared all along. All in all, I think most people have watched too much sci-fi where all spaceships usually come with photon torpedoes and tractor beams. :p

(Btw, every time I read "RDA" in an Avatar thread I think "what the hell has Richard Dean Anderson to do with this, he wasn't even in the movie". ;) And then I realize that it was the company's name.)
 
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