Re: At what point does the Federation decide to stop building Enterpri
Oh.
So it wasn't just me then?
Oh.
So it wasn't just me then?
At what point does the Federation decide to stop building Enterprises?
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Re: At what point does the Federation decide to stop building Enterpri
nope. I never liked it either
nope. I never liked it either
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My justification for the spindly design is that the ship is actually gi-normous. I think thinking of it on that scale helps.
My justification for the spindly design is that the ship is actually gi-normous. I think thinking of it on that scale helps.
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The idea of the design was that it was meant to portray a logical progression from the NX-01, since in that timeline Starfleet ended up having to fight the Sphere Builders and the growing Expanse for the next 400 years instead of how the Prime timeline turned out.
The idea of the design was that it was meant to portray a logical progression from the NX-01, since in that timeline Starfleet ended up having to fight the Sphere Builders and the growing Expanse for the next 400 years instead of how the Prime timeline turned out.
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I don't even think it was designed for the episode in question. It was another type of ship that they added a saucer to. Can't remember where I read that?
I don't even think it was designed for the episode in question. It was another type of ship that they added a saucer to. Can't remember where I read that?
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Same here. There are plenty of reasons one can put forth as to why it looks the way it does, but it still looks like flat boring garbage to me.
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You're thinking of Doug Drexler's Altair:
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Altair_%28prototype%29
It was a different design than the Ent-J he made for the Ships of the Line calendar, which was then altered for the SOTL book by having a saucer thrown on top of it. But it's not the same design as the Ent-J.
Interestingly, SOTL states that the Altair is an experimental vessel from the 24th century, not the 26th, so one could speculate that the Ent-J we saw in "Azati Prime" was around 200 years old. This info should probably be taken with a grain of salt, though.
You're thinking of Doug Drexler's Altair:
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Altair_%28prototype%29
It was a different design than the Ent-J he made for the Ships of the Line calendar, which was then altered for the SOTL book by having a saucer thrown on top of it. But it's not the same design as the Ent-J.
Interestingly, SOTL states that the Altair is an experimental vessel from the 24th century, not the 26th, so one could speculate that the Ent-J we saw in "Azati Prime" was around 200 years old. This info should probably be taken with a grain of salt, though.
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While I wasn't against it at first, I now hate the idea of an Enterprise A,B, C, etc. If I never hear of a letter designated Enterprise again it will be too soon.
The producers should just accept audiences are smart enough to differentiate Enterprises built years apart or, explain a different Enterprise with a quick line of dialogue if necessary.
Otherwise, "Enterprise", is enough.
While I wasn't against it at first, I now hate the idea of an Enterprise A,B, C, etc. If I never hear of a letter designated Enterprise again it will be too soon.
The producers should just accept audiences are smart enough to differentiate Enterprises built years apart or, explain a different Enterprise with a quick line of dialogue if necessary.
Otherwise, "Enterprise", is enough.
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It's on the internet that the different Enterprises are really discussed a lot.
Which is how it is 97% of the time in the totality of onscreen Trek. There have really been only a few instances in hundreds of hours of filmed Trek in which an Enterprise is referred to by its letter. And usually it's in the rare times that more than one Enterprise is being discussed by the characters.
It's on the internet that the different Enterprises are really discussed a lot.
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Although, First Contact refers to the Enterprise E as Enterprise E a surprisingly number of times, even in casual conversation.
Although, First Contact refers to the Enterprise E as Enterprise E a surprisingly number of times, even in casual conversation.
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Combination of that and the movie's penchant of having exposition in the most inappropriate places to explain things for non fans.
Most annoying example, Picard's log in which he states "the Borg, our most feared enemy." Yes, this is a convenient manner of conveying to non-fans who the Borg are, but in-universe it makes no sense. Anyone listening to that log will know who the Borg are and won't need it explained to them.
Combination of that and the movie's penchant of having exposition in the most inappropriate places to explain things for non fans.
Most annoying example, Picard's log in which he states "the Borg, our most feared enemy." Yes, this is a convenient manner of conveying to non-fans who the Borg are, but in-universe it makes no sense. Anyone listening to that log will know who the Borg are and won't need it explained to them.
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I think Picard was just being overly dramatic. Plus, the audience were told about the Borg in Generations, so it stands to reason that the same people who went to see that film went to see FC and wouldn't need that info spoon-fed to them.
I think Picard was just being overly dramatic. Plus, the audience were told about the Borg in Generations, so it stands to reason that the same people who went to see that film went to see FC and wouldn't need that info spoon-fed to them.
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That's because they had just lost their old ship, and hadn't yet gotten used to the idea of the E being THE Enterprise, rather than the D.
That's because they had just lost their old ship, and hadn't yet gotten used to the idea of the E being THE Enterprise, rather than the D.
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That's the weird thing about First Contact. According to dialogue, they've been in space "nearly a year." So, in their minds, the Enterprise-D should already be accepted as gone and the Enterprise-E be their new home, or just be referred to as the "Enterprise." But, off the top of my head:
"The Enterprise-E is the most advanced ship in the fleet..."
"Welcome aboard the Enterprise-E, Mr. Worf."
"So much for the Enterprise-E."
I understand as movie goers we may be scratching our heads, wondering why the Enterprise looks so different from Generations to First Contact and need to be spoonfed the name and letter countless times, but at this point in its service, the Next Gen crew should just be calling it "The Enterprise."
That's the weird thing about First Contact. According to dialogue, they've been in space "nearly a year." So, in their minds, the Enterprise-D should already be accepted as gone and the Enterprise-E be their new home, or just be referred to as the "Enterprise." But, off the top of my head:
"The Enterprise-E is the most advanced ship in the fleet..."
"Welcome aboard the Enterprise-E, Mr. Worf."
"So much for the Enterprise-E."
I understand as movie goers we may be scratching our heads, wondering why the Enterprise looks so different from Generations to First Contact and need to be spoonfed the name and letter countless times, but at this point in its service, the Next Gen crew should just be calling it "The Enterprise."
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He doesn't say "E" in that line. Just "Welcome aboard the Enterprise, Mister Worf."
Which is said specifically because the E is practically brand new and already lost. Also to set up Picard's alphabet line.
They say it twice in the entire film.
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Not really.
Yep. Exactly. And afterward, it's never said again onscreen ever.
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In First Contact they hadn't "just lost their old ship." The Enterprise D was destroyed two years earlier and they'd been aboard the Enterprise E a year already. They should be used to the E being the Enterprise.
Which is still two more times than anywhere else in Trek has applied the letter to the Enterprise in situations where there is only one Enterprise to reference.
In First Contact they hadn't "just lost their old ship." The Enterprise D was destroyed two years earlier and they'd been aboard the Enterprise E a year already. They should be used to the E being the Enterprise.
Which is still two more times than anywhere else in Trek has applied the letter to the Enterprise in situations where there is only one Enterprise to reference.
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I'm not sure I agree with the idea that twice constitutes "a surprising number of times", but I suspect we'll have differing views on that.
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My bad, it's not really about them saying the letters, though that shouldn't be necessary either.
I should have said I didn't ever want to SEE the letters, as in emblazoned across ships hulls. The ending reveal of the new ship in ST4 didn't need the letter. We didn't need to see the letter to know it was a different ship, right? We all knew the original had not magically reappeared, correct?
If anyone couldn't figure out the Enterprise in TNG wasn't a NEW ship without a letter added then WTH is wrong with them?
After it gets destroyed, who wouldn't expect the next new film may feature a new Enterprise?
The Enterprise "J" in "Enterprise", (irony!) was explained by Daniels telling us we were in the future. That it wasn't the same Enterprise as in the past was a given. We would have figured that without knowing it was the "J", wouldn't we?
etc. etc. etc.
Its simple, dump the letters. The name Enterprise is always enough.
My bad, it's not really about them saying the letters, though that shouldn't be necessary either.
I should have said I didn't ever want to SEE the letters, as in emblazoned across ships hulls. The ending reveal of the new ship in ST4 didn't need the letter. We didn't need to see the letter to know it was a different ship, right? We all knew the original had not magically reappeared, correct?
If anyone couldn't figure out the Enterprise in TNG wasn't a NEW ship without a letter added then WTH is wrong with them?
After it gets destroyed, who wouldn't expect the next new film may feature a new Enterprise?
The Enterprise "J" in "Enterprise", (irony!) was explained by Daniels telling us we were in the future. That it wasn't the same Enterprise as in the past was a given. We would have figured that without knowing it was the "J", wouldn't we?
etc. etc. etc.
Its simple, dump the letters. The name Enterprise is always enough.
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