This. Honestly, since Pi and (especially) The Fountain I'd watch everything by Aronofsky.
Aronofsky to remake ''ROBOCOP''
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Biocop?
Hey! I liked that whole sequence, cannon arm and all. The stop motion in that film was superior to a lot of half assed CGI today.
QFT, can we put this in a sticky for this forum.
No kidding. Pardon the 1980's for not passing Special Effects muster
Hell, to this day the Special Effects of the 1933 version of King Kong are *still* amazing.As far as a "sleeker" suit -- I'd say the original was pretty well designed and realistic considering the technology that was assumed to have existed.
Who could play Clarence Boddicker better than Kurtwood Smith?
"Just gimme my FUCKIN' PHONE CALL..."
"Just gimme my FUCKIN' PHONE CALL..."
^Good Question! I've been thinking about that too! I mean, who could top SMITH!!
No kidding. Pardon the 1980's for not passing Special Effects muster
Actually, the effect when Dick Jones fell out the window was pretty bad, even for the 1980s.
^^ Yeah, Jones' arms not changing length according to his fall was a pretty egregious oversight.
Oh, go roll your eyes somewhere else. Christ, you act like I didn't call RoboCop one of my favorite movies ever made.
Try reading Shooting RoboCop, an in-depth look at the film's production written by Paul M. Sammon, who was on the set for the entire duration. Phil Tippett said even back then that he hated the shot when he made it, hated it when he watched it the first time and will probably hate it every time he watches it, but because of budget and time considerations, he couldn't go back and do it again. (And he hates it for good reason, too; in a film that has exemplary stop-motion work, that one instance is pretty awful, with muddy, jumpy animation that just sucks out loud. Tippett figured out how to better animate a stop-motion RoboCop puppet for the climax of RoboCop 2.)
No kidding. Pardon the 1980's for not passing Special Effects muster
Oh, go roll your eyes somewhere else. Christ, you act like I didn't call RoboCop one of my favorite movies ever made.
Try reading Shooting RoboCop, an in-depth look at the film's production written by Paul M. Sammon, who was on the set for the entire duration. Phil Tippett said even back then that he hated the shot when he made it, hated it when he watched it the first time and will probably hate it every time he watches it, but because of budget and time considerations, he couldn't go back and do it again. (And he hates it for good reason, too; in a film that has exemplary stop-motion work, that one instance is pretty awful, with muddy, jumpy animation that just sucks out loud. Tippett figured out how to better animate a stop-motion RoboCop puppet for the climax of RoboCop 2.)
I agree that even back then the Jones falling out of the window scene was badly done, but the stop-motion for Robocop 2 was bad.^^ Yeah, Jones' arms not changing length according to his fall was a pretty egregious oversight.
No kidding. Pardon the 1980's for not passing Special Effects muster
Oh, go roll your eyes somewhere else. Christ, you act like I didn't call RoboCop one of my favorite movies ever made.
Try reading Shooting RoboCop, an in-depth look at the film's production written by Paul M. Sammon, who was on the set for the entire duration. Phil Tippett said even back then that he hated the shot when he made it, hated it when he watched it the first time and will probably hate it every time he watches it, but because of budget and time considerations, he couldn't go back and do it again. (And he hates it for good reason, too; in a film that has exemplary stop-motion work, that one instance is pretty awful, with muddy, jumpy animation that just sucks out loud. Tippett figured out how to better animate a stop-motion RoboCop puppet for the climax of RoboCop 2.)
Given that they were over budget and had time constraints, they did a good job, that's why I give it a pass, JKTim. Hell, the Ed209 mockups were cleverly done.
And I can't look at anything Paul McCrane does without thinking of the infamous "acid tank" scene. Yikes!
Do you mean the scene when Robocop battles ED 209, or when Jones falls out the window?
I just rewatched both, and IMO, the scene where Robocop forces ED 209 to shoot his own arm looks fine. I honestly don't understand why people have been criticizing it.
That fall from the window though--pee-yew. That was every bit as bad as I remembered. A real blemish on an otherwise very fine suite of special effects.
And has anyone else caught the continuity mistake when Robocop first confronts Dick Jones? When Robocop arrests Boddicker at the cocaine factory, Boddicker says: "I work for Dick Jones! Dick Jones! He's the number-two guy at OCP! OCP runs the cops!"
But later, when Robocop plays back this confession, Boddicker says: "I work for Dick Jones! Dick Jones! He runs OCP! OCP runs the cops!"
Good thing Robocop never had to offer his playback as eyewitness testimony in court.
I just rewatched it, & well I hadnt seen it since I was a teen so its been a long time... the satire & comedy probably went right over my head back then, I wasnt expecting it to be so funny!
Most of the male characters were complete utter douchebags but boy were they funny douchebags!
Most of the male characters were complete utter douchebags but boy were they funny douchebags!
Damn straight. Aronofky's Paint Drying would probably make me bawl like a baby after a botched circumcision too. Damn the Fountain was one moving film.This. Honestly, since Pi and (especially) The Fountain I'd watch everything by Aronofsky.
(I do reckon you've seen Requiem for a Dream as well?)
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It's been in need of a remake since the beginning of the first film. It's absolutely terrible.
I'm tempted to ban you for this.
BLASPHEME!!! 
Do you mean the scene when Robocop battles ED 209, or when Jones falls out the window?
I just rewatched both, and IMO, the scene where Robocop forces ED 209 to shoot his own arm looks fine. I honestly don't understand why people have been criticizing it.
That fall from the window though--pee-yew. That was every bit as bad as I remembered. A real blemish on an otherwise very fine suite of special effects.
And has anyone else caught the continuity mistake when Robocop first confronts Dick Jones? When Robocop arrests Boddicker at the cocaine factory, Boddicker says: "I work for Dick Jones! Dick Jones! He's the number-two guy at OCP! OCP runs the cops!"
But later, when Robocop plays back this confession, Boddicker says: "I work for Dick Jones! Dick Jones! He runs OCP! OCP runs the cops!"
Good thing Robocop never had to offer his playback as eyewitness testimony in court.
Yep, I caught it.
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It is going to suck for one reason alone, the original is perfect for what it is, it defined the idea, therefore anything that tries to re-thread old ground is destined to fail. Example: imagine another band trying to cover Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen, no band is ever going to do a cover as good as the original song, its impossible. Its like trying to re-make Ghostbusters. The story was told perfectly the first time, who are you going to get to replace the original actors who reached a perfect pitch level in their performances.
Aronofsky's good though I thought PI was pretentious and The Fountain was shmaltzy philosophical lite nonsense. He's not even near Paul Verhovens genius.
Another problem I forsee is that ED209 is not going to be menacing if they are going to apply uber smooth perfect animation. His whole menace is precisely from the "outdated" go motion techniques they used in the 80s. Its that unnatural, jerky mechanical animation which makes him so inhuman and threatening. Using smooth transitions is going to fuck up that up completely and if you need look further go onto youtube and you'll see what I mean. Afaik there are 2 ed 209 animations, the models are brilliant but the animation is flawed because they failed to notice how incredible and how well suited the supposed failings of go motion are in relation to something like ED 209.
Furthermore a film like Robocop just won't happen in todays world. In what film could you have an end scene that is both hilarious, cheesy and deeply poignant. Dick Jones falling out of the tower was ridiculous, the exec rising out of his desk in anticipation, and after the fall, giving his thumbs up with a big cheesy grin, and the final lines which unite all the themes of the film in a really deep way. I mean in any film today that wouldn't happen because it would have to be one dimensional and straightfoward. Like The Dark Knight, which laboured this notion that it was incredibly dark over and over again. Yeah I get the point and no your film isn't that dark, I can think of several others which are darker and don't hammer home the point with all the subtetly of a sledgehammer, Robocop being one of them. It was this uneven tone resultant from different strands- the satire, the cheese, the darkness which makes it so striking.
And how will they replicate the score, and not just the main theme but even the rising crescendo for that end scene. A lot (though not all) film music is not even a scratch on the 80s, like when I listened to LOTRs main theme tune I found it very underwhelming, if you want epic listen to Total Recall, Ghostbusters or Robocop. And I'm not nostalgic, if something is better I'll be the first to say it. Example, Heath Ledgers performance is a tour de force and rivals if not excels Nicholsons portrayal, which was in a different vein. Moreover there have been some excellent and iconic films for this decade---Donnie Darko, Pans Labirynth, Oldboy, Shaun of the Dead, Kill Bill.
All I'm saying is that having watched South Parks episode on Indiana Jones I get it now. They're raping Robocop and it hurts.
Aronofsky's good though I thought PI was pretentious and The Fountain was shmaltzy philosophical lite nonsense. He's not even near Paul Verhovens genius.
Another problem I forsee is that ED209 is not going to be menacing if they are going to apply uber smooth perfect animation. His whole menace is precisely from the "outdated" go motion techniques they used in the 80s. Its that unnatural, jerky mechanical animation which makes him so inhuman and threatening. Using smooth transitions is going to fuck up that up completely and if you need look further go onto youtube and you'll see what I mean. Afaik there are 2 ed 209 animations, the models are brilliant but the animation is flawed because they failed to notice how incredible and how well suited the supposed failings of go motion are in relation to something like ED 209.
Furthermore a film like Robocop just won't happen in todays world. In what film could you have an end scene that is both hilarious, cheesy and deeply poignant. Dick Jones falling out of the tower was ridiculous, the exec rising out of his desk in anticipation, and after the fall, giving his thumbs up with a big cheesy grin, and the final lines which unite all the themes of the film in a really deep way. I mean in any film today that wouldn't happen because it would have to be one dimensional and straightfoward. Like The Dark Knight, which laboured this notion that it was incredibly dark over and over again. Yeah I get the point and no your film isn't that dark, I can think of several others which are darker and don't hammer home the point with all the subtetly of a sledgehammer, Robocop being one of them. It was this uneven tone resultant from different strands- the satire, the cheese, the darkness which makes it so striking.
And how will they replicate the score, and not just the main theme but even the rising crescendo for that end scene. A lot (though not all) film music is not even a scratch on the 80s, like when I listened to LOTRs main theme tune I found it very underwhelming, if you want epic listen to Total Recall, Ghostbusters or Robocop. And I'm not nostalgic, if something is better I'll be the first to say it. Example, Heath Ledgers performance is a tour de force and rivals if not excels Nicholsons portrayal, which was in a different vein. Moreover there have been some excellent and iconic films for this decade---Donnie Darko, Pans Labirynth, Oldboy, Shaun of the Dead, Kill Bill.
All I'm saying is that having watched South Parks episode on Indiana Jones I get it now. They're raping Robocop and it hurts.
^Loved Shaun of the Dead!
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