Aren't you worried about new villians being boring like V'ger/Son'ya?

[Jayson]

With all the talk of wanting to see something new I am surprised people have already forgotten that, when it comes to villians, the new ones usually flop in Trek. I just don't see how you can do new aliens without them feeling like generic copies of things we have already seen. I would much prefer they go with a concept or group of aliens that are already establish and thus already have some drmatic weight to them. The whole alien-of-the week feelings is something that should be avoided at all cost IMO

Jason

 

[Starbreaker]

Re: Aren't you worried about new villians being boring like V'ger/Son'

I try not to worry about Star Trek whenever possible.

 

[Prons]

Re: Aren't you worried about new villians being boring like V'ger/Son'

V'ger was far from boring.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Re: Aren't you worried about new villians being boring like V'ger/Son'

Yes, in fact that's one of my major worries with Trek movies going forward. Abrams et al seemed to understand everything they needed to do, besides giving us a solid villain.

I was hoping Nero would start the ball rolling on finally fleshing out the Romulans, but he was disappointingly generic in his motives and persona. He could have been any alien, or a human. There wasn't anything uniquely Romulan about him, or that could be used to expand upon the Romulans interestingly in the future.

Abrams et al need to look at the Trek villains who were entirely or at least partially successful - Khan/Augments, Klingons, Dominion, Borg, Cardassians - and realize they all have some defining focus that sets them apart from all other villain and non villain cultures.

I try not to worry about Star Trek whenever possible.

Good attitude but it doesn't give you a lot to talk about here, does it?

 

[Agent Richard07]

Re: Aren't you worried about new villians being boring like V'ger/Son'

Son'ya.

haha

 

[GhostFaceSaint]

Re: Aren't you worried about new villians being boring like V'ger/Son'

If they do a another villain outside of the established ones than I would be disappointed, besides I am rooting for the space being the obstacle , galactic threat angle, or galactic problem that the new cast has to solve. Eventually though I would like them to revisit "Balance of Terror" in a new way.

 

[Tarek71]

Re: Aren't you worried about new villians being boring like V'ger/Son'

I think the villain they had in XI was boring, so naturally its possible they will put in another clunker of a Big Bad. The Son'a were worse I think, but neither was a Jar Jar calibre of annoying. I dont think they were painful to watch.

I wouldnt mind seeing Khan again, or Koloth or Kor. They can have Mudd or Cyrano Jones (or both) in for comic relief in they must, after all Mudd was involved in the Enterprises introduction to what could otherwise have been a very dangerous android "species". Im not necessarily suggesting a remake of that particular episode, but nevertheless, theres no shortage of possibilities even working within the established situations and species.

 

[Skywalker]

Re: Aren't you worried about new villians being boring like V'ger/Son'

V'ger was far from boring.

Yes, so far in fact that it actually circled back to boring.

Honestly, I'm not too worried. I think Abrams, Orci, Kurtzman, and Lindelof are more than capable of putting together a fairly entertaining villain.

 

[ALF]

Re: Aren't you worried about new villians being boring like V'ger/Son'

I think the Harlem Globetrotters would make fascinating villianry.

 

[Myasishchev]

Re: Aren't you worried about new villians being boring like V'ger/Son'

Yes, in fact that's one of my major worries with Trek movies going forward. Abrams et al seemed to understand everything they needed to do, besides giving us a solid villain.

I was hoping Nero would start the ball rolling on finally fleshing out the Romulans, but he was disappointingly generic in his motives and persona. He could have been any alien, or a human. There wasn't anything uniquely Romulan about him, or that could be used to expand upon the Romulans interestingly in the future.

Well, he did go after a planet other than Earth first. That's kind of an innovation in Trek, and a Vulcan first strategy would be born of a Romulan mindset.

Other than that, though, I concur.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Re: Aren't you worried about new villians being boring like V'ger/Son'

Well, he did go after a planet other than Earth first.

That's true, I should acknowledge the cliche breaking aspect there. (And to top it off, when he attacked Earth, he managed NOT to blow up the Golden Gate Bridge! Amazingly, he didn't even seem to be aiming for it! )

That's kind of an innovation in Trek, and a Vulcan first strategy would be born of a Romulan mindset.

Except that he didn't go after Vulcan because he was a Romulan. It was because Spock was a Vulcan. So if Spock had been an Andorian, he would have gone after Andoria. That's the problem with his motive - didn't have anything inherently to do with Spock being a Vulcan or Nero being a Romulan. They could have been an Andorian and a Klingon and it would have worked out exactly the same.

 

[Myasishchev]

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^Point.

 

[hellsgate]

Re: Aren't you worried about new villians being boring like V'ger/Son'

This is the beauty of fan fiction. You can't flop in fan fiction when your readers can see you've put mind, body, heart & soul into your story. V'ger (post-Caeliar,) would be a compelling idea. I'd read that in half a heartbeat. The Son'a (possible alignment / loose association / momentary flirtation with "The Typhon Pact" we've been hearing about lately?) Hmmmm....

 

[T'Girl]

Re: Aren't you worried about new villians being boring like V'ger/Son'

Simple, just make the villian glorious, brilliant, seductive, with a cause the viewer can half believe in.

Yamamoto, not Hitler.

I vote for General Roth'h'ar Sarris, the warload from Galaxy Quest.

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[Elim Garak]

Re: Aren't you worried about new villians being boring like V'ger/Son'

V'ger was far from boring.

It was the lack of action in the second half of the film that was mildly boring, though there were a few suspenseful moments.

 

[Bluesteel]

Re: Aren't you worried about new villians being boring like V'ger/Son'

The problems with new villians is that to make them powerful and scary the writers will dispatch off either other bad guys (like Klingons or Romulans) or Federation ships. Now when you have a crew single handily beating these bad guys. It makes the others look very, very stupid.


The only way they can make it worse is if they have a giant probe that will destroy Earth and billions of humans if it doesn't get in touch with a ......... whale.

 

[Argus Skyhawk]

Re: Aren't you worried about new villians being boring like V'ger/Son'

... when it comes to villians, the new ones usually flop in Trek.
Jason

Every old villain used to be a new villain at some point. I still think of the Borg as new villains.

 

[ALF]

Re: Aren't you worried about new villians being boring like V'ger/Son'

They have got to lay off the revenge for a while. Revenge doesn't have to be the engine of every motion picture plot.

 

[DarKush]

Re: Aren't you worried about new villians being boring like V'ger/Son'

I don't think V'Ger or the Son'a were boring. I thought TMP was boring as hell, but it had little to do with V'Ger. The concept was pretty neat and pretty different from the Trek adversaries that came after, with the possible exception of the whale probe. The Son'a had potential, and I loved the bladed look of their ships. I wish more had been done with them on DS9 to make them a bigger threat than what we saw in INS.

 

[msbae]

Re: Aren't you worried about new villians being boring like V'ger/Son'

V'ger was far from boring.

Yes, too bad we never heard from that probe (or the people that built the cloud ship) again... Many speculate that the Borg were the ones but, I have my doubts. Wouldn't V'Ger have assimilated the Klingons and Epsilon-9 instead of reducing them to data patterns?

They have got to lay off the revenge for a while. Revenge doesn't have to be the engine of every motion picture plot.

W3rd.