Arena, and that totally awesome fight scene
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And Klingons have always had ridges. And STIII is an alternate reality because Kristy Alley and Robin Curtis are not twins. Changing the make up or the actor is not compelling enough evidence to claim it isn't the Prime Reality. (Hollywood, they love to change things more than engineers) If we ever see a Gorn again and it is identified as such on screen ( rather than in notes and commentary) it probably wont be this make up. That said, I hope its closer to what we saw in TOS. This "Gorn" doesn't do it for me.
It's not a bad alien design at all in itself, but it's not a Gorn.
It has a generic lizard alien look that I find a bit meh.
There is no "Gorn".
There's the "Gorn from the Star Trek episode 'Arena'". There's the "Gorn from the Enterprise episode 'In a Mirror, Darkly'". There's the "Gorn from the screencap someone posted above".
I liked the "Gorn from the TOS episode 'Arena'". I didn't much like the "Gorn from the Enterprise episode 'In a Mirror, Darkly'". I have no opinion of the "Gorn from the screencap someone posted above".
These are all separate and equal things from Star Trek. Attempting to label one as simply being the authorative "Gorn" for no other reason than you think it is, and trying to then judge the rest relative to it, is a giant waste of time.
You do realize people were saying the exact same thing about the Klingons in 1979 - and they weren't a one-off alien of the week like the Gorn was!
That costume wasn't cheap.
I was a bit annoyed when the CGI Gorn in ENT looked like a damn Tyrannosaurus Rex instead of, you know...a Gorn.
And if J.J.'s crappy "Troll-Gorn" is supposed to be a Gorn, then I'm the czar of all the Russias.
And that's the shittiest theory I've ever heard. And people ask why I don't consider anything besides TOS to be canon...
I've always liked the costume and the design. I'd use both again if I was in charge, only updating the material to allow for more movement.
^^ Agreed. You can't get any better than Wah Chang's design.
Having the actor dressed in a clumsy and restrictive costume is a great way to get "alienness" to his style of movement...
It was the face, or the eyes of the costume specifically, that needed the most work to be plausible. All sorts of silly rubber suits are excusable if we can connect with the hero/sidekick/heavy on an emotional level. At least we need one good evil smirk from the villain. Giving the Gorn the blink in TOS-R was a step towards the right direction, although I'd have liked some lip movement as well; leaving the body as is was perfectly acceptable IMHO.
I'm happy the STXI critter was never "established" to be from the Gorn species. (Assuming, of course, that the Gorn are a species, and not e.g. an interstellar alliance of lizard-like humanoid species.) Also, I'm reasonably sure this makeup won't be used for the main antagonists in STXII, so I don't have to live in constant fear... In the worst case, though, I can always pretend that this is a Gorn who had one bar fight too many, and the bar was made of tungsten.
Timo Saloniemi
It was the face, or the eyes of the costume specifically, that needed the most work to be plausible. All sorts of silly rubber suits are excusable if we can connect with the hero/sidekick/heavy on an emotional level. At least we need one good evil smirk from the villain. Giving the Gorn the blink in TOS-R was a step towards the right direction, although I'd have liked some lip movement as well; leaving the body as is was perfectly acceptable IMHO.
I'm happy the STXI critter was never "established" to be from the Gorn species. (Assuming, of course, that the Gorn are a species, and not e.g. an interstellar alliance of lizard-like humanoid species.) Also, I'm reasonably sure this makeup won't be used for the main antagonists in STXII, so I don't have to live in constant fear... In the worst case, though, I can always pretend that this is a Gorn who had one bar fight too many, and the bar was made of tungsten.
Timo Saloniemi
Well, the original Gorn costume COULD move it's mouth, which sort of fits what you're saying. He didn't have lips, however, and since alligators, komodo dragons, and any other lizard you can think of doesn't really have "lips" either, I think it would look a little weird.
I'd like to see the TOS Gorn take on the creature in my avatar.
And I continue to be amazed at the number of fans who think that inspired detail is something that needs to be "corrected."
^ Who am I quoting? Fans who say the Gorn's eyes need to be corrected.
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