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Are you a purist?

The answers above seem to say that different people have differing interpretations of the term "purist."

I asked the question partly because the term "purist" is often invoked in a dismissive or derogatory way as if to discredit someone who may not automatically accept change or something new. "You're a purist so what you think about (whatever) doesn't count." sort of thing.

For me, yes, TOS is Star Trek. How could it be otherwise? It established the universe and the ground rules, not just in terms of continuity but also in storytelling. But I will look at something new if I sense that it's generally respecting the ground rules.

I initially dismissed TNG and still dismiss a bulk of it. But I'm generally favourable towards the first three seasons because I see something there that echoes something of TOS. I don't really see it as the same continuity as TOS, but I can accept much of it on its own terms.

I dismiss a great deal of the rest not simply because I think they strayed too far from what had been established (and they did stray ever farther and farther), but mostly because I don't think it was good storytelling.

Succeeding Bonds and superhero franchises have been reinterpreted over the years with some better than others. I don't have a problem with something rebooted if they fulfill my preferences in storytelling, because continuity wise I can disconnect a new version from what came before and say, "This doesn't take away from the old because it really isn't connected and can stand on its own terms."

I think the word "purist" can be too narrowly defined to mean you cannot accept or tolerate anything but just one particular thing.
 
I have the same response to Abrams Abomination. This could have been wonderful, instead Abrams decided to shit all over my childhood.
Duncan, have you seen it? If not... then it's a bit premature to say something like this. Remember--this is a variation, an "alternate timeline". It's not going to be some serious upheaval to the Star Trek world. There's a very good chance no series will be made on the Abrams version. And although there will very likely be a sequel, who knows if it'll end there? Abrams can't catch up to the universe of Star Trek already established. At best, all he can be is a "Star Trek Impressionist." ;)

Gary, I've seen enough of it to know that it changes things that I don't want changed. Enough things so that I don't know any of those characters on the screen. Nor do I want to know them. The nail in the coffin is the "Forget everything you know" bullshit in the trailer. To which my answer is a resounding - NO! I will not forget everything I know, and I will not be seeing this abomination!
 
No, I'm not a purist. I do not insist that for a movie or series to be real STAR TREK, that it must conform to every little nuance put forth by TOS. TOS itself was sometimes self-contradictory. I have no problem with each of the various TREK permutations presenting their own unique "take" on Earth's place in the universe. Each permutation had good episodes and bad episodes, along with a few great episodes. I love them all.
 
To answer the question simply, no, I'm not. I can't be much of one if I'm a fanfiction writer.

Gary, I've seen enough of it to know that it changes things that I don't want changed. Enough things so that I don't know any of those characters on the screen. Nor do I want to know them. The nail in the coffin is the "Forget everything you know" bullshit in the trailer. To which my answer is a resounding - NO! I will not forget everything I know, and I will not be seeing this abomination!

That was in the trailer? (Been a while since I've seen any of them.) That's one of the red flags I thought they had the sense not to throw up.
 
^^ I don't think fanfic disqualifies you since fanfic isn't meant to be widely accepted as "official."
 
Yes, it's not official. Maybe I shouldn't have worded my post that way. I meant as a fanfic writer I don't see canon as absolutely rigid. Some writers do operate totally within canon, though.
 
...I don't have a problem with something rebooted if they fulfill my preferences in storytelling, because continuity wise I can disconnect a new version from what came before and say, "This doesn't take away from the old because it really isn't connected and can stand on its own terms."

I think the word "purist" can be too narrowly defined to mean you cannot accept or tolerate anything but just one particular thing.
I agree with you here. The section of my brain reserved for "Star Trek Fandom" still has a lot more room in it.

I'm not going to dismiss something that is different solely because it is different. I'm not going to take a stance against a marketing tagline about "forgetting all that I know" (obviously they don't really expect fans to erase their memories of past Star Trek -- it's simply a tagline). I mean, so what if this film changes enough about the pre-TOS world that it becomes essentially a new starting point?

If this new film tells a good story, and these characters are interesting, then I will accept this as Star Trek. This film may not be "TOS" in a pure sense, but that does not necessarily make it unworthy to be called Star Trek.
 
Almost-purist. I see no reason why clever writers need to violate canon in order to write good stories but I'm also willing to let them do what they need to tell good stories going forward. Just have a good reason.
 
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^^Those are my feelings also -- I would have preferred that this film be a true TOS origin film that not only respected canon, but was truly what could have been the history of the TOS crew.

However, what "I" want is not necessarily relevant here, so I do welcome other ideas with open arms -- although I reserve the right to either accept or reject those other ideas after I give them honest consideration (which in this case includes seeing the film).
 
I guess the short answer for me is no, I'm not. I'm a huge Star Trek fan, but I have also found a way to appreciate and enjoy each incarnation as they have come along. True that I have liked some more than others, but nothing has been unwatchable for me. Well in all fairness, I have no desire to re-watch TATV, but that's understandable.
 
As far as I can discern the meaning here of "purist," I'd answer the question "no." If I only liked TOS, I would by now either be bored to death with all things Trek (those 79 episodes over and over and over and over and over and over...aaaaiiiiieeeeeeeeee!) or I would have become one of those...disquieting people who apparently have no life outside of Trek - who know more about Trek than anybody should know about any TV show, no matter how worthwhile.

But as it happens, I've liked almost all the various incarnations of Trek, and it's been great. Everybody is entitled to his own opinion, but as far as I can tell, anybody who hasn't found anything worthwhile - anything Trek worthy - in TNG, DS9, VOY...well, all I can say is, you've missed some fabulous scifi. Some fabulous entertainment, period. I feel about you almost the same as I feel about those people who say they can't stand scifi and have never watched Star Trek. Why not?

I can understand liking TOS best, but no matter how hard I try, I cannot imagine finding nothing Trek worthy in its successors. There is some great stuff there - episodes at least as good as the best of TOS (along with episodes as bad as the worst of TOS ;) ).
 
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Yes, it's not official. Maybe I shouldn't have worded my post that way. I meant as a fanfic writer I don't see canon as absolutely rigid. Some writers do operate totally within canon, though.

I also write fanfic, but I have to say as I think of it as my personal universe canon, which is cobbled together from TOS canon.

I don't accept any of the subsequent series as canon (or as Trek for that matter, truth be told), but I'm okay with TMP-TVH, and TUC. (TFF is a bad dream!) I know from events that transpire in this new movie that I will not be able to assimilate much of it in my view of canon, though there may be bits and pieces that fit in with what I write.

I guess I'm just particular with want I choose to accept, but view it as a singular, creative choice.
 
Almost-purist. I see no reason why clever writers need to violate canon in order to write good stories but I'm also willing to let them do what they need to tell good stories going forward. Just have a good reason.

This for me. I think I am a purist when it comes to quality and an effort made to adhere to continuity. I give every example of Trek a chance, I enjoyed some of TNG, pretty much most of DS9 (Hey they acknowledge the Eugenics wars instead of ignoring it like some lazy writers :P ) and though I enjoyed a little of ENT it failed to capture the spirit of TOS.

I think the spirit of what TOS had and the feel of Starfleet and the crew, I dunno they just seemed more real to me, like a B-17 crew that had to work so well together in order to survive (a WWII destroyer kinda feel too) with just a dash of cold war era politics to it.

So yeah I am a semi-purist since I do find myself holding any new trek up to the old show in comparision.

Just my two cents

Vons
 
Almost-purist. I see no reason why clever writers need to violate canon in order to write good stories but I'm also willing to let them do what they need to tell good stories going forward. Just have a good reason.

This is the problem...these "clever writers" from Hollywood...ain't really all that clever...if they were they wouldn't have to have a drastic re-boot like this...at least not as far back as they're going. I'll say it again that I wish they could of just picked up where TOS left off -- continue and finish the mission dammit...we're still waiting for them to finish it after 40 frikkin years !!!!! :scream:
 
I've written TOS fanfic and I tried to stay true to the spirit of storytelling of the series and not contradict continiuty. That said it didn't mean I couldn't inject new ideas as long as they were reasonably consistent with what had already been established. What I did not do was try to jam as much continuity references as possible in there just to prove how much I know.
 
I like canon and continutiy. When I do fan fic I consider it all. Even movies and shows I dont like, because "there are always possibilities". I'll do a story based on Voyager, STV and NEM if it sounds good!!!!!
 
To answer the question simply, no, I'm not. I can't be much of one if I'm a fanfiction writer.

Gary, I've seen enough of it to know that it changes things that I don't want changed. Enough things so that I don't know any of those characters on the screen. Nor do I want to know them. The nail in the coffin is the "Forget everything you know" bullshit in the trailer. To which my answer is a resounding - NO! I will not forget everything I know, and I will not be seeing this abomination!

That was in the trailer? (Been a while since I've seen any of them.) That's one of the red flags I thought they had the sense not to throw up.


http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809752801/video/12413527

Watch TV Spot 2
 
Watched that spot and a couple of the other trailers.

It (the whole situation around the movie) is worse than I thought.
 
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