Are there people who are JJ-Trek fans but don’t like the rest of Star

[fireproof78]

Re: Are there people who are JJ-Trek fans but don’t like the rest of S

But you are posting on a message board devoted to the franchise.

I imagine to an AbramsTrek fan, liking Star Trek is no different than loving Avengers or loving Jurassic World. They love what's currently in the theaters. Once it is not popular, they will not like it anymore.

I'm sure the majority of "BennettTrek" fans were the same. They enjoyed the films when they first saw them and then moved on to what was next. The hardcore, life long fans of most properties are a minority. For all the fans posting on internet, going to cons and writing fanfic there are hundreds and possibly thousands of fans who just see the films, from any decade, as a fun movie they watched. Trying to paint "AbramsTrek" fan as unique in this attitude come across as a variation of the "True Fan" argument.

Agreed.

Let's get it right, people. Say it with me:

"True Fan? No such animal!"

Thank you.

Agreed. I find it so odd that "AbramsTrek" gets singled out for its own fandom, while the rest is allowed to be Trek, even though varying opinions exist out there as to personal preference.

For example, I enjoy TOS, some TNG, DS9, but not really a huge fan of VOY or ENT (save for choice episodes). The TNG films were hit and miss for me, while the TOS films are generally enjoyable (even Trek V). Overall, I prefer TOS but I don't call myself a TOS fan.

Maybe it just frustrates me because the label is another way of pushing Abrams Trek outside the rest of Trek, which is unfair.

 

[Smellmet]

Re: Are there people who are JJ-Trek fans but don’t like the rest of S

Give it time...

 

[Granola Gwen]

Re: Are there people who are JJ-Trek fans but don’t like the rest of S

I know a friend or two that have seen the first movie of them, but not the series. I imagine people who are just into looking to have a good time at the movies to be these kind of people.

 

[martok2112]

Re: Are there people who are JJ-Trek fans but don’t like the rest of S

I know a friend or two that have seen the first movie of them, but not the series. I imagine people who are just into looking to have a good time at the movies to be these kind of people.

Aye, and there's no reason that any hardline Trek purist should shun them. The casual movie goer can have just as much a love of Trek, even if it is in a different scope, as the most zealous, self-congratulatory fanboy/girl.

Star Trek TOS is Star Trek
Star Trek TAS is Star Trek
Star Trek The Original Crew Films are Star Trek
Star Trek TNG is Star Trek
Star Trek DS9 is Star Trek
Star Trek TNG films are Star Trek
Star Trek VOY is Star Trek
Star Trek ENT is Star Trek
Star Trek JJ Abrams era films are Star Trek

This holds true for casual film goers as it does for appreciative Trek fans and admirers.

Only those who can't see past their "one, True Trek" (whatever they hold that to be to the exclusion of everything else) are so afflicted with their myopic views that they have to try and ruin the parade for everyone else.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
Trek is action/adventure, exploration, social commentary, examining the human condition, comedy, drama, romance.... all rolled in to one. Something for everyone, or everything for someone, and everywhere in between.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

Re: Are there people who are JJ-Trek fans but don’t like the rest of S

I'm really liking the direction this thread has taken. I agree with everything martok and fireproof are saying.

 

[Orphalesion]

Re: Are there people who are JJ-Trek fans but don’t like the rest of S

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

Someone who is a fan of the Abramsmovies is automatically a fan of Star Trek=a Star Trek fan, even if they have never heard of or don't like anything from the Cage to Nemesis.
Even if someone doesn't like anything Star Trek related but a few novels or some old video game they are a fan of something called Star Trek= a Star Trek fan.

That's one of the nice things about Star Trek; very varied and a lot of people a bound to find something in it they like.

That's also why I don't like people saying "x movie/series is not real Star Trek"

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

Re: Are there people who are JJ-Trek fans but don’t like the rest of S

Yeah, hell, I have this one friend. Stand-up guy. Big movie buff but just can't seem to do TV. Absolutely adores Trek II-IV, VI, 09, and ID. He's never seen anything else. I've tried but it just isn't happening.

And you know what, he's a Star Trek fan.

 

[Smellmet]

Re: Are there people who are JJ-Trek fans but don’t like the rest of S

It's all Trek to me. It's like crisps - there's many flavours but they're all crisps.

 

[Tallguy]

Re: Are there people who are JJ-Trek fans but don’t like the rest of S

Just to be clear, I KNOW it's all Star Trek. And I really appreciate that this thread has gotten some real discussion.

It has been my experience that most Star Trek fans have THEIR Trek. The one that sings to them loudest and sweetest. For me it's TOS + TMP + TWOK. For a while it surprised me that for anyone it could be TNG. (Then I realized that post-TOS is like 80% or more of all Trek.) Then I thought that this was really neat.

Yeah, hell, I have this one friend. Stand-up guy. Big movie buff but just can't seem to do TV. Absolutely adores Trek II-IV, VI, 09, and ID. He's never seen anything else. I've tried but it just isn't happening.

That's really pretty cool. What a nifty mix.

 

[Greg Cox]

Re: Are there people who are JJ-Trek fans but don’t like the rest of S

I'm sure it's gotten to the point where there are not only fans of JJ Trek over Prime Trek, but that their preferred Enterprise is the JJPrise.

And there's nothing wrong with that, really. My initial favorite is the Enterprise Refit, but that was also the first ship I came to watch. Trek is kind of like Doctor Who or James Bond in that regard, in that sometimes your first encounter becomes your favorite version.

Exactly. I remember being horrified decades ago to discover that my much younger brother thought that Roger Moore was the "real" James Bond (as opposed to Sean Connery), but then I realized that Moore was the Bond he'd grew up on so it made perfect sense.

So, yeah, there's going to be a generation for whom Chris Pine is Kirk and that's okay. Us older fans shouldn't pull rank and insist that we're the "real" fans and we know better. It's not a competition.

Will nuTrek still be remembered fondly decades from now? Who knows? Who would have guessed that Star Trek would still be a going concern all these decades after NBC cancelled TOS? Or that "newer" movies like "Back to the Future" or "The Goonies" or "The Breakfast Club" would be considered beloved classics these days? (Yes, that makes me feel very old.)

There's no reason to think that young fans are any less fans of the new Trek than we were of the previous versions.

I mean, you don't see Batman fans insisting that kids these days don't appreciate the new Batman movies as much we liked Adam West or Michael Keaton back in the day. Or that Bill Bixby was the only real Hulk . . .

 

[Orphalesion]

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It has been my experience that most Star Trek fans have THEIR Trek.

That is of course true, everyody has "their" Trek, their favourite flavour, to continue the "crisps" metaphor.

For me it's TNG and DS9 +TUC. Everything before or after that doesn't really interest me much. There are some VOY episodes I and enjoy and two or three eps from TOS and ENT each, but other than that; Nah!

 

[Tallguy]

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I mean, you don't see Batman fans insisting that kids these days don't appreciate the new Batman movies as much we liked Adam West or Michael Keaton back in the day. Or that Bill Bixby was the only real Hulk . . .

The hell they don't.

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

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I mean, you don't see Batman fans insisting that kids these days don't appreciate the new Batman movies as much we liked Adam West or Michael Keaton back in the day.

Batman has been through several incarnations, though. Nobody associates the character with only a single actor or storyline. I recall that a number of people around my age were pissed when NBC attempted a Knight Rider reboot in 2008, and more still who complained about the Robocop reboot that came out last year. The Terminator series has taken a lot of heat for continuity issues (not your fault, Greg), as have the X-Men films (though most people like the older and younger versions of the characters).

Star Trek has existed as a single continuity since its creation. Even the reboots can be tied to the prime universe because of Nimoy-Spock traveling back in time. But people are pissed because the newer films are of a different style than the previous movies. Whether that means that youngsters who like the new films don't like Harve Bennett's films isn't something I know the answer to.

--Sran

 

[Ithekro]

Re: Are there people who are JJ-Trek fans but don’t like the rest of S

I mean, you don't see Batman fans insisting that kids these days don't appreciate the new Batman movies as much we liked Adam West or Michael Keaton back in the day. Or that Bill Bixby was the only real Hulk . . .

The hell they don't.

Case in point, the Batman is known to be Kevin Conroy. For a rather long time.

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

Re: Are there people who are JJ-Trek fans but don’t like the rest of S

^No, he isn't. He's George Clooney.

--Sran

 

[Chronos]

Re: Are there people who are JJ-Trek fans but don’t like the rest of S

I suppose there are, but I don't know any.

I really do feel that most JJTrek fans see it more as just another blockbuster movie rather than anything more significant. If JJTrek had been my first taste of Trek, that's how I would have felt.

 

[Sector 7]

Re: Are there people who are JJ-Trek fans but don’t like the rest of S

I'm sure it's gotten to the point where there are not only fans of JJ Trek over Prime Trek, but that their preferred Enterprise is the JJPrise.

And there's nothing wrong with that, really. My initial favorite is the Enterprise Refit, but that was also the first ship I came to watch. Trek is kind of like Doctor Who or James Bond in that regard, in that sometimes your first encounter becomes your favorite version.

Exactly. I remember being horrified decades ago to discover that my much younger brother thought that Roger Moore was the "real" James Bond (as opposed to Sean Connery), but then I realized that Moore was the Bond he'd grew up on so it made perfect sense.

So, yeah, there's going to be a generation for whom Chris Pine is Kirk and that's okay. Us older fans shouldn't pull rank and insist that we're the "real" fans and we know better. It's not a competition.

Will nuTrek still be remembered fondly decades from now? Who knows? Who would have guessed that Star Trek would still be a going concern all these decades after NBC cancelled TOS? Or that "newer" movies like "Back to the Future" or "The Goonies" or "The Breakfast Club" would be considered beloved classics these days? (Yes, that makes me feel very old.)

There's no reason to think that young fans are any less fans of the new Trek than we were of the previous versions.

I mean, you don't see Batman fans insisting that kids these days don't appreciate the new Batman movies as much we liked Adam West or Michael Keaton back in the day. Or that Bill Bixby was the only real Hulk . . .

Roger Moore is MY James Bond, therefore the REAL James Bond.

I mean, you don't see Batman fans insisting that kids these days don't appreciate the new Batman movies as much we liked Adam West or Michael Keaton back in the day. Or that Bill Bixby was the only real Hulk . . .

The hell they don't.

Michael Keaton is the real Batman. Adam West was my first Batman, but Keaton nailed it. Same can be said for Bill Bixby. I'll take Lou Ferigno as the Hulk over CGI any day!

 

[Greg Cox]

Re: Are there people who are JJ-Trek fans but don’t like the rest of S

Sherlock Holmes is the textbook case here.

Go back a hundred years, and William Gillette is nearly synonymous with the role onstage. Jump ahead a few decades, and Basil Rathbone is Holmes for a couple generations of moviegoers. Later, Jeremy Brett is seen as the definitive Holmes. And nowadays Cumberbatch probably beats out Downey and Miller as the actor most associated with the role.

There will be a new Kirk and a new Spock and maybe even a new Picard or Janeway someday. And future generations will accept them in the parts, the same way we accept Shatner and Nimoy and Pine and Quinto . ...

No generation gets to "own" a great story or characters and claim sole possession of it.

 

[martok2112]

Re: Are there people who are JJ-Trek fans but don’t like the rest of S

Sherlock Holmes is the textbook case here.

Go back a hundred years, and William Gillette is nearly synonymous with the role onstage. Jump ahead a few decades, and Basil Rathbone is Holmes for a couple generations of moviegoers. Later, Jeremy Brett is seen as the definitive Holmes. And nowadays Cumberbatch probably beats out Downey and Miller as the actor most associated with the role.

There will be a new Kirk and a new Spock and maybe even a new Picard or Janeway someday. And future generations will accept them in the parts, the same way we accept Shatner and Nimoy and Pine and Quinto . ...

No generation gets to "own" a great story or characters and claim sole possession of it.

Quoted for TRUTH!

The generations can only hang on to the nostalgia of their favorite takes on characters/stories.

Myself, I'm pretty cool with the fact that Chris Pine is now James T. Kirk. (and all the other actors in their respective Trek roles.... and I've loved Star Trek for 43 years!) I'm pretty cool with Daniel Craig being James Bond. I'm pretty cool with Christian Bale having been Batman.

But, I was always cool with whomever played those roles in the past. (Even with Val Kilmer and George Clooney in their turns at Bat.... the stories might have been goofball as all hell, but still, I didn't mind their takes on the Dark Knight detective.)

Each actor represents a "time" of when they portrayed their respective characters. An era. Sure, there may have been a bit of lousiness at times, but for the most part....it's all good times.

 

[Sector 7]

Re: Are there people who are JJ-Trek fans but don’t like the rest of S

Sherlock Holmes is the textbook case here.

Go back a hundred years, and William Gillette is nearly synonymous with the role onstage. Jump ahead a few decades, and Basil Rathbone is Holmes for a couple generations of moviegoers. Later, Jeremy Brett is seen as the definitive Holmes. And nowadays Cumberbatch probably beats out Downey and Miller as the actor most associated with the role.

There will be a new Kirk and a new Spock and maybe even a new Picard or Janeway someday. And future generations will accept them in the parts, the same way we accept Shatner and Nimoy and Pine and Quinto . ...

No generation gets to "own" a great story or characters and claim sole possession of it.

Quoted for TRUTH!

The generations can only hang on to the nostalgia of their favorite takes on characters/stories.

Myself, I'm pretty cool with the fact that Chris Pine is now James T. Kirk. (and all the other actors in their respective Trek roles.... and I've loved Star Trek for 43 years!) I'm pretty cool with Daniel Craig being James Bond. I'm pretty cool with Christian Bale having been Batman.

But, I was always cool with whomever played those roles in the past. (Even with Val Kilmer and George Clooney in their turns at Bat.... the stories might have been goofball as all hell, but still, I didn't mind their takes on the Dark Knight detective.)

Each actor represents a "time" of when they portrayed their respective characters. An era. Sure, there may have been a bit of lousiness at times, but for the most part....it's all good times.

Very well stated, Greg Cox and martok2112! I couldn't have said it any better.