Are there any good websites or links to debunk rubbish?

[Gingerbread Demon]

Rubbish as in "we can't go into space what about the van allen belt?" and I'm trying to educate family members on things like this whenever a space story comes up on the news this gets thrown around a lot. Just so sick of the arguments and even things like Voyager and probes, well they can't leave the Earth because they'd have to pass through the belt.

Why has this rubbish view still survived many debunkings?

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Here are the Lagrange Points (Look Carefully at how far they are)

The Van Allen Radiation Belt extend ONLY:

The term Van Allen belts refers specifically to the radiation belts surrounding Earth; however, similar radiation belts have been discovered around other planets. The Sun does not support long-term radiation belts, as it lacks a stable, global, dipole field. The Earth's atmosphere limits the belts' particles to regions above 200–1,000 km,[6] (124–620 miles) while the belts do not extend past 8 Earth radii RE.[6] The belts are confined to a volume which extends about 65°[6] on either side of the celestial equator.

Earth's Radius = (6,357-6,378)km x 8 = (50,856 - 51,024)km

Approximating the figure of Earth by an Earth spheroid, the radius ranges from a maximum of nearly 6,378 km (3,963 mi) (equatorial radius, denoted a) to a minimum of nearly 6,357 km (3,950 mi) (polar radius, denoted b).

The Moon is 384,400 km away from Earth.

We EASILY passed through the Van Allen Radiation Belts MULTIPLE times while going to the moon and back.

We've already had 6x Missions by NASA to the moon.

The Van Allen Radiation Belt isn't a big deal, they're NUMB NUTS if you think NASA didn't account the Van Allen Radiation belt after discovering it.

We've already passed through the Van Allen Radiation Belt, and just put appropriate shielding on our space craft.

So if they can't get it through their thick skulls then I don't know what to say.

We've already sent countless space craft WAY past the moon, with shielding accounted for the "Van Allen Radiation" Belt.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Oh I know @KamenRiderBlade I'll get those links down and the diagrams.. Just have this stupid family member that thinks well those darn radiation belts mean we never went into space. I shouldn't have opened my mouth because I said if I ever won a huge Lotto prize I'd like to take a trip into sub orbital space. I mean I know it's a thing, and I know we've been to the Moon and back several times in the years since Neil Armstrong first landed on the Moon. Just so much stuff and he gets all his information from youtubes.

I mean the internet is a wonderful resource and one of our greatest human inventions but it allows stuff like this to happen and people lap it up as actual fact.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Oh I know @KamenRiderBlade I'll get those links down and the diagrams.. Just have this stupid family member that thinks well those darn radiation belts mean we never went into space. I shouldn't have opened my mouth because I said if I ever won a huge Lotto prize I'd like to take a trip into sub orbital space. I mean I know it's a thing, and I know we've been to the Moon and back several times in the years since Neil Armstrong first landed on the Moon. Just so much stuff and he gets all his information from youtubes.

I mean the internet is a wonderful resource and one of our greatest human inventions but it allows stuff like this to happen and people lap it up as actual fact.

They lack proper education and suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect.

The first step to fixing it is to admit that their knowledge-base is far weaker than they think it is.

Honesty & admittance to what they don't know is a good first step.

Hypothetically, if NASA was lying to the public for over 70 years, they have the best "Secret Agency / Spy Agency" in the world because there's been ZERO-LEAKS of faking all those space missions.

The reality is , WE DID all those space missions.

No Spy Agency is that Impenetrable. There will be leaks, just look at the history of "Spy Agencies".

The reason there has been "ZERO-LEAKS" is because NASA "ACTUALLY DID" all those missions.

We have countless scientists, astronauts, etc.

If your relative thinks everybody is in on "The Big Conspiracy", then he's a conspiracy nut who needs to have his brain cleansed of that "Conspiracy BS".

What next, he thinks "Big-Foot" & "the Loch-Ness Monster" are real?

 

[Unicron]

I occasionally read Skeptoid for interesting discussion and debunking of myths and stories, though there are minor things about his approach I occasionally nitpick. RationalWiki also has an amusing index of all sorts of craziness.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

What next, he thinks "Big-Foot" & "the Loch-Ness Monster" are real?

Funny you mention that I brought those up too last year during covid when we had lockdowns, their house being around the corner yuck. His whole argument was "well if moon landings were real why can't bigfoot and Nessie be real?"

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

His whole argument was "well if moon landings were real why can't bigfoot and Nessie be real?"

-_-

If Nessie were real, we would've found him by now.

Loch Ness ain't that big, and Nessie is quite big of a creature.

If BigFoot were real, somebody would've found him, captured him, or shot him by this point.
The amount of hunters in the American North West, somebody would've seen him through a scope and shot him.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Regarding the Van Allen Belts and their dangers, I refer you to Scott Manley.

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[Gingerbread Demon]

-_-

If Nessie were real, we would've found him by now.

Loch Ness ain't that big, and Nessie is quite big of a creature.

If BigFoot were real, somebody would've found him, captured him, or shot him by this point.
The amount of hunters in the American North West, somebody would've seen him through a scope and shot him.

Yep that's the point I was also trying to make once that was said but failing

Regarding the Van Allen Belts and their dangers, I refer you to Scott Manley.

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Ooh that's good he's good I'll send him that video

 

[publiusr]

Bad Astronomy/ Cosmoquest.
JREF’s gone though.

 

[danellis]

Hypothetically, if NASA was lying to the public for over 70 years, they have the best "Secret Agency / Spy Agency" in the world because there's been ZERO-LEAKS of faking all those space missions.

The reality is , WE DID all those space missions.

No Spy Agency is that Impenetrable. There will be leaks, just look at the history of "Spy Agencies".

The reason there has been "ZERO-LEAKS" is because NASA "ACTUALLY DID" all those missions.

Taking up your hypothetical, wouldn't all the talk about it being a conspiracy - the very fact we're having this conversation - mean that there HAD been a leak?

dJE

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

^No, because there are a lot of people who just seem to want to use the Internet to ridicule and tear down anything that other, much cleverer people than them achieved in the past. I don't know if this psychosis has a clinical name.

What are the signs and symptoms of psychosis? (rethink.org)

 

[publiusr]

Well, kids growing up with Deep Fake—-forget Zelig or Forest Gump—they don’t have to be psychotic to wonder just what is real or who to believe.

So one of the first things we need to teach kids is photography and how late in the game computer manipulated images came into being.

 

[scotpens]

If Nessie were real, we would've found him by now.

Loch Ness ain't that big, and Nessie is quite big of a creature.

If BigFoot were real, somebody would've found him, captured him, or shot him by this point.
The amount of hunters in the American North West, somebody would've seen him through a scope and shot him.

If any of these so-called cryptids were real, there'd have to be a breeding population of at least several hundred individuals to maintain enough genetic diversity to keep the species going. A few of them would surely have been shot or captured by now. And in this age when everyone has a video camera in their pocket, we'd have clear, unmistakable, reliable photographic evidence.

Oh, and everyone knows Nessie is a she.

Well, kids growing up with Deep Fake—-forget Zelig or Forest Gump—they don’t have to be psychotic to wonder just what is real or who to believe.

So one of the first things we need to teach kids is photography and how late in the game computer manipulated images came into being.

Indeed, the technology to fake the moon landings didn't exist in the late 1960s - early '70s. It was easier to actually go to the moon than to fake going to the moon!

 

[publiusr]

That might hang up in some young people’s minds in that they will think that manipulating images should be easier than doing something for real.

Photography gave us microfiche and that gave us circuits later.

 

[danellis]

Well, kids growing up with Deep Fake—-forget Zelig or Forest Gump—they don’t have to be psychotic to wonder just what is real or who to believe.

So one of the first things we need to teach kids is photography and how late in the game computer manipulated images came into being.

Photographic manipulation existed long before *computer* photographic manipulation; I can think of specific examples (not necessarily "photo-real," but that's probably because that's not so much the sort of photography I'm into), and have seen 3D photographs taken during the American Civil War.

dJE

 

[Unicron]

"Did you base the saucer shape on pop culture depictions of aliens, or was that stuff based on your ships? Does the rotational symmetry help with... hey, where are you going?"

 

[think]

https://www.quantamagazine.org/cris...forces-a-rethink-of-what-is-natural-20220301/

A Deepening Crisis Forces Physicists to Rethink Structure of Nature’s Laws
For three decades, researchers hunted in vain for new elementary particles that would have explained why nature looks the way it does. As physicists confront that failure, they’re reexamining a longstanding assumption: that big stuff consists of smaller stuff.

In The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, the philosopher of science Thomas Kuhn observed that scientists spend long periods taking small steps. They pose and solve puzzles while collectively interpreting all data within a fixed worldview or theoretical framework, which Kuhn called a paradigm. Sooner or later, though, facts crop up that clash with the reigning paradigm. Crisis ensues. The scientists wring their hands, reexamine their assumptions and eventually make a revolutionary shift to a new paradigm, a radically different and truer understanding of nature. Then incremental progress resumes.

typical article at this site,.. https://www.quantamagazine.org/
debunking is possible here maybe ? but the fact the earth is a sphere is a given and not proven here.

 

[shapeshifter]

At first look the site extensively linked below may seem to be advocating junk but a visit to the forum section will dispel those illusions.

There are believers of all the junk there but they got their hands full with skeptics actively debunking all the cryptid, ufo, and conspiracy theories you can shake a stick at. Every mystery under the Sun is examined in excruciating detail. A lot like Trek is examined here.

But can the skeptics explain away everything? WOOooooOOO!

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/stories.php

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/gallery/

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/columnindex.php

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

At first look the site extensively linked below may seem to be advocating junk but a visit to the forum section will dispel those illusions.

There are believers of all the junk there but they got their hands full with skeptics actively debunking all the cryptid, ufo, and conspiracy theories you can shake a stick at. Every mystery under the Sun is examined in excruciating detail. A lot like Trek is examined here.

But can the skeptics explain away everything? WOOooooOOO!

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/stories.php

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/gallery/

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/columnindex.php

Well at least they try.. Full credit to the people trying to debunk nonsense.