Are Denobulans from the star Denebola?

[Aquehonga]

There's an actual star called Denebola. Why didn't STPTB&B just call Dr. Phlox's species Denebolans & have them be from a world orbiting the star Denebola?

I remember seeing the star Denebola on a map of the Milky Way in the ALIEN(S) future/universe. It seemed to be featured prominently for some reason.

Hell, if Denebola is is where Phlox hails from, maybe, besides Earth & humans, Denobula & Denobulans exist in the future/universe of the ALIEN(S) films also?

Wishful thinking I know.

Anyway is Phlox from Denebola?

 

[Mach5]

To make Phlox from Denebola, STPTB&B would first have to know about Denebola.

And to know about Denebola, STPTB&B would be required to actually know some sh#t about sh#t and stuff like that.

So NO, I don't think that Dr. Phlox came from Denebola.

 

[SFRabid]

You got it Mach5. Don't know what those people are thinking. It is almost like they are writing fiction or something.

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

Memory Alpha is your friend, Aquehonga.

Phlox is Denobulan. He hails from Denobula.

 

[Praetor]

To make Phlox from Denebola, STPTB&B would first have to know about Denebola.

And to know about Denebola, STPTB&B would be required to actually know some sh#t about sh#t and stuff like that.

So NO, I don't think that Dr. Phlox came from Denebola.

You know, for TOS they had consultants from various real-world science organizations (such as the Rand Corporation) to consult on such matters, as well as postulating the technological aspects of it. They also had fact-checkers who (very similarly to this) pointed out for the first draft of 'The Cage' that a star name they were using wasn't a good choice due to its distance, and so suggested using another star or just making up a name.

Funny, isn't it? Even for fiction.

 

[Sci]

There's an actual star called Denebola. Why didn't STPTB&B just call Dr. Phlox's species Denebolans & have them be from a world orbiting the star Denebola?

Why would Phlox's people call themselves and their world by an Earth name for their star?

Phlox is a Denobulan from Denobula Triaxa. That's all there is to it.

 

[Mach5]

To make Phlox from Denebola, STPTB&B would first have to know about Denebola.

And to know about Denebola, STPTB&B would be required to actually know some sh#t about sh#t and stuff like that.

So NO, I don't think that Dr. Phlox came from Denebola.

You know, for TOS they had consultants from various real-world science organizations (such as the Rand Corporation) to consult on such matters, as well as postulating the technological aspects of it. They also had fact-checkers who (very similarly to this) pointed out for the first draft of 'The Cage' that a star name they were using wasn't a good choice due to its distance, and so suggested using another star or just making up a name.

Funny, isn't it? Even for fiction.

Isaac Asimov did some consulting on TMP, IIRC. And ENTERPRISE actually had Andre Bormanis, and it's a little strange that at some point he didn't say: "Hey, don't name the planet Denobula, it sounds too much like "Denobola," Trekkies with background in astronomy might get confused."

 

[Praetor]

To make Phlox from Denebola, STPTB&B would first have to know about Denebola.

And to know about Denebola, STPTB&B would be required to actually know some sh#t about sh#t and stuff like that.

So NO, I don't think that Dr. Phlox came from Denebola.

You know, for TOS they had consultants from various real-world science organizations (such as the Rand Corporation) to consult on such matters, as well as postulating the technological aspects of it. They also had fact-checkers who (very similarly to this) pointed out for the first draft of 'The Cage' that a star name they were using wasn't a good choice due to its distance, and so suggested using another star or just making up a name.

Funny, isn't it? Even for fiction.

Isaac Asimov did some consulting on TMP, IIRC. And ENTERPRISE actually had Andre Bormanis, and it's a little strange that at some point he didn't say: "Hey, don't name the planet Denobula, it sounds too much like "Denobola," Trekkies with background in astronomy might get confused."

Ah, yes, Andre. I'd nearly forgotten him. It is a wonder that he didn't blink twice at that.

For that matter, why use 'Denobulan' at all? Why not either use something that is purposefully a real name, or make up something completely different. As is, sounds rather Talaxian of them to me.

 

[Mach5]

Ah, yes, Andre. I'd nearly forgotten him. It is a wonder that he didn't blink twice at that.

For that matter, why use 'Denobulan' at all? Why not either use something that is purposefully a real name, or make up something completely different. As is, sounds rather Talaxian of them to me.

My point exactly.

 

[Verteron]

There's an actual star called Denebola. Why didn't STPTB&B just call Dr. Phlox's species Denebolans & have them be from a world orbiting the star Denebola?

An in-universe explanation might simply be that spellings change over time.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Ah, yes, Andre. I'd nearly forgotten him. It is a wonder that he didn't blink twice at that.

For that matter, why use 'Denobulan' at all? Why not either use something that is purposefully a real name, or make up something completely different. As is, sounds rather Talaxian of them to me.

My point exactly.

Yet we don't blink at the use of Romulus and Vulcan as alien names. Amazing that Vulcan is hot and the Romulans are so Roman like. Or that El-Aurians are good listeners. Or that Ferengi sounds similar to the Arabic word "farangi'. Or that so many planets orbit Stars called Rigel. Or that Betazed sounds like the human words Beta and Zed, Some of the Universe's odd coincedences.

Andre was more than the science consultant: "He served as story editor on Star Trek: Enterprise first and second season, as executive story editor on the third season, and as co-producer on the fourth season. In addition he wrote and co-wrote several episodes of Voyager and Enterprise and served as technical adviser on Star Trek: Insurrection. " (From Memory Alpha) Obviously such minutea did not bother him.

 

[Praetor]

Yet we don't blink at the use of Romulus and Vulcan as alien names.

English translations of the alien words.

Amazing that Vulcan is hot and the Romulans are so Roman like. Or that El-Aurians are good listeners. Or that Ferengi sounds similar to the Arabic word "farangi'.

Like you said, coincidences.

Or that so many planets orbit Stars called Rigel. Or that Betazed sounds like the human words Beta and Zed.

Lack of imagination on the universal translator's part.

Andre was more than the science consultant: "He served as story editor on Star Trek: Enterprise first and second season, as executive story editor on the third season, and as co-producer on the fourth season. In addition he wrote and co-wrote several episodes of Voyager and Enterprise and served as technical adviser on Star Trek: Insurrection. " (From Memory Alpha) Obviously such minutea did not bother him.

Eek. That does not speak well for him, IMO.

 

[Mach5]

Yet we don't blink at the use of Romulus and Vulcan as alien names. Amazing that Vulcan is hot and the Romulans are so Roman like. Or that El-Aurians are good listeners. Or that Ferengi sounds similar to the Arabic word "farangi'. Or that so many planets orbit Stars called Rigel. Or that Betazed sounds like the human words Beta and Zed, Some of the Universe's odd coincedences.

Andre was more than the science consultant: "He served as story editor on Star Trek: Enterprise first and second season, as executive story editor on the third season, and as co-producer on the fourth season. In addition he wrote and co-wrote several episodes of Voyager and Enterprise and served as technical adviser on Star Trek: Insurrection. " (From Memory Alpha) Obviously such minutea did not bother him.

You make a good point too, I admit. After all, its fiction were talking about here.
But I used to believe that Romulus and Remus were Terran names for the planets ch'Rihan and ch'Havran, given intentionally because of the similarities to ancient Rome. I guess "Minefield" threw that theory down the drain... Well see how the new movie handles this (I'm still hoping that the word Rihannsu gets mentioned).

 

[Praetor]

They'd probably have to pay Diane Carey if they did.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yet we don't blink at the use of Romulus and Vulcan as alien names.

English translations of the alien words.

Amazing that Vulcan is hot and the Romulans are so Roman like. Or that El-Aurians are good listeners. Or that Ferengi sounds similar to the Arabic word "farangi'.

Like you said, coincidences.

Or that so many planets orbit Stars called Rigel. Or that Betazed sounds like the human words Beta and Zed.

Lack of imagination on the universal translator's part.

Andre was more than the science consultant: "He served as story editor on Star Trek: Enterprise first and second season, as executive story editor on the third season, and as co-producer on the fourth season. In addition he wrote and co-wrote several episodes of Voyager and Enterprise and served as technical adviser on Star Trek: Insurrection. " (From Memory Alpha) Obviously such minutea did not bother him.

Eek. That does not speak well for him, IMO.

So those get a the Trek rationalization pass, yet Denobula and Denebola do not? Trek fans are fickle lot.

I doubt he's losing any sleep over your evalution.

 

[Praetor]

Denobula is more recent and the similarity could have been fixed/avoided. We can retcon it too if we wish (alternate spelling, whatever.)

I'm not losing sleep over this, either.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yet we don't blink at the use of Romulus and Vulcan as alien names. Amazing that Vulcan is hot and the Romulans are so Roman like. Or that El-Aurians are good listeners. Or that Ferengi sounds similar to the Arabic word "farangi'. Or that so many planets orbit Stars called Rigel. Or that Betazed sounds like the human words Beta and Zed, Some of the Universe's odd coincedences.

Andre was more than the science consultant: "He served as story editor on Star Trek: Enterprise first and second season, as executive story editor on the third season, and as co-producer on the fourth season. In addition he wrote and co-wrote several episodes of Voyager and Enterprise and served as technical adviser on Star Trek: Insurrection. " (From Memory Alpha) Obviously such minutea did not bother him.

You make a good point too, I admit. After all, its fiction were talking about here.
But I used to believe that Romulus and Remus were Terran names for the planets ch'Rihan and ch'Havran, given intentionally because of the similarities to ancient Rome. I guess "Minefield" threw that theory down the drain... Well see how the new movie handles this (I'm still hoping that the word Rihannsu gets mentioned).

Rihannsu is too close to the Celtic word Rhiannon. People might think the Romulans are Welsh or Fleetwood Mac fans.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Denobula is more recent and the similarity could have been fixed/avoided. We can retcon it too if we wish (alternate spelling, whatever.)

I'm not losing sleep over this, either.

There are more important things about Enterprise that could have been fixed. This one is about as low on the list as things can get.

 

[Aquehonga]

If you retroactively think/revision that Denobula & Denebola are the same, then maybe Phlox had an unlucky counterpart in the ALIEN(S)-verse who was one 1 of those doomed 157 colonists on LV-426

But maybe not. I hope not.

My aficionadoficky fanwankish idea there is that it's possible Denobula & Denobulans exist in the Ripleyverse, but not Vulcans, Romulans, Klingons, Xindi, Cardassians, Borg, Andorians, Ferengi entc ent al.

Could swear I saw a star called Denobola on an ALIEN(S) space map

Was probably Denebola

 

[Praetor]

Denobula is more recent and the similarity could have been fixed/avoided. We can retcon it too if we wish (alternate spelling, whatever.)

I'm not losing sleep over this, either.

There are more important things about Enterprise that could have been fixed. This one is about as low on the list as things can get.

We reach.