Are cops requierd to give people suicide notes addressed to them?

[Jayson]

Just remember, that if family members discover your suicide, they may destroy a suicide note after reading it and try to make your death look like an accident for various reasons, and as for the tranny cheerleader, I dated a tranny once and almost never knew it, wasn't that bad of an experience really

Well if/when I kill myself someday I don't plan to do it where my family discovers the body. That would be horrible. I like the idea of driving somewhere sort of secluded but not so secluded the cops don't find me and take a bunch of sleeping pills. Fade away peacefully while listening to music.

As for the tranny he/she seems pretty cool. He she is kind of into gross stuff but I already mentioned I don't want to anything that involes poop or pee. Mostly it will just be some bondage and roll playing.


Jason

 

[Sephiroth]

if anyone you care about has an insurance policy on you, do try to make it look like an accident

 

[The Boy Who Cried Worf]

Oh my. So, all he did was pique everyone's interest and then drop it. Smooth!

I am still going out with the tranny cheerleader. I find it as a chance of being really freaky for the first time. I figure if I can do this then regular sex will be less nervous to think about.


Jason

Out of curiosity did the tranny have to tell you that she was a tranny or is it fairly obvious. And if it is fairly obvious, exactly who is he cheering for that is so desperate they can't actually get real girls to cheer for them.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

Well yeah I do think about suicide alot. I find the idea of not being so sad and lonely all the time apealing. Doesn't help that when I do feel happy that ends up making me even feel worst. Still I am not ready to kill myself just yet. I am 33 so I figure I got maybe 10 more years to find love or some meaning to my life that makes living worth it. If I can't do this in 10 years then I will be doomed to be that old guy in a nursing home who has lived a wasted life and I don't want to stay around and be that guy.

Jason

If you kill yourself you spend all eternity feeling sad and lonely. It actually is worse, because what's left of you has it's sad and lonely sensitivity increased exponentially. It's kind of like if your strip off most of your skin, and then rub the raw area, it hurts even more. Your living self is a protective coating, but when you're dead, you are even sadder and more miserable than you can possibly imagine.

However if you don't kill yourself, you know those 72 virgins that are suppose to be in Muslim heaven? Actually they got the story wrong, anyone who doesn't kill themselves gets 72 beautiful hermaphrodite virgins who swing both ways and are into all kinds of kinky shit. They also are great conversationalists, give great massages and like to play RPG's and/or watch movies all night after sex.

 

[Jayson]

Well just discovered another benefit to being so deppressed. I lost 4 pounds in a week. Haven't really felt like eating much it's at least good towards my efforts to loose weight. Only thing I ate today was half of a apple.


Jason

 

[Jen]

This topic is just painful for me. One of my best friends committed suicide in November of last year, and there's nothing good about it. Doing this is nothing short of selfish. Yeah, you're free of pain. But all the OTHER people out there....family....friends...the tranny cheerleader...have to deal with the excruciating pain you just caused.

In regards to the note, yes, the police have to return it to you, as long as there is no criminal investigation. They must return everything they took (including, for example, if the person hangs themselves with a belt...they'll return the belt).

 

[Jayson]

This topic is just painful for me. One of my best friends committed suicide in November of last year, and there's nothing good about it. Doing this is nothing short of selfish. Yeah, you're free of pain. But all the OTHER people out there....family....friends...the tranny cheerleader...have to deal with the excruciating pain you just caused.

In regards to the note, yes, the police have to return it to you, as long as there is no criminal investigation. They must return everything they took (including, for example, if the person hangs themselves with a belt...they'll return the belt).

I don't know if it is selfish. People have to make choices that they feel is best for themselves all the time and those choices aren't always going to be accepted by their loved ones. Should a gay person for example stay in the closet just because his family might not like him/her being gay. If someone doesn't want to live anymore they usually have a reason beyond just feeling a little sad. Some pain is just to much, especially when you figure your going to have it a entire lifetime. That's why I am giving myself 10 more years. If I can't find away to be happy or find some meaning to my life in that amount of time it will never happen, especially since I am going to try and change. Suicide isn't so much about giving up but coming to terms with who your own limitations, because everyone tries to improve who they are, even the ones who fail.

Jason

 

[RJDiogenes]

I've known a couple of people who committed suicide. It's easy to see it as selfishness or to feel anger at the people you feel drove them to take their own lives, but neither is fair.

Suicide results when someone feels that life is too painful to live, which is a horrible, tragic thing. Especially when you know that their pain is blinding them to much better options, whether that involves therapy or medication or simply moving to a new place or making new friends. Many people avoid seeking help because they believe themselves to be weak or a failure for feeling the way they do; nothing could be further from the truth. A person with depression can't control the levels of neurotransmitters in his brain any more than a person with anemia can control his blood cells or a person with diabetes can control his blood sugar. Medication and a change in lifestyle is needed, and neither is anything to be ashamed of or afraid of.

Jayson, if you're serious about this, please think carefully about what I said and think about all the other people in the world who have battled depression and won. Instead of making a girlfriend or life partner your goal, make fighting the depression your goal; do that and the girlfriend will come more easily and naturally.

 

[An Officer]

I hope you feel better soon, Jason.

 

[The Boy Who Cried Worf]

This topic is just painful for me. One of my best friends committed suicide in November of last year, and there's nothing good about it. Doing this is nothing short of selfish. Yeah, you're free of pain. But all the OTHER people out there....family....friends...the tranny cheerleader...have to deal with the excruciating pain you just caused.

In regards to the note, yes, the police have to return it to you, as long as there is no criminal investigation. They must return everything they took (including, for example, if the person hangs themselves with a belt...they'll return the belt).

I don't know if it is selfish. People have to make choices that they feel is best for themselves all the time and those choices aren't always going to be accepted by their loved ones. Should a gay person for example stay in the closet just because his family might not like him/her being gay. If someone doesn't want to live anymore they usually have a reason beyond just feeling a little sad. Some pain is just to much, especially when you figure your going to have it a entire lifetime. That's why I am giving myself 10 more years. If I can't find away to be happy or find some meaning to my life in that amount of time it will never happen, especially since I am going to try and change. Suicide isn't so much about giving up but coming to terms with who your own limitations, because everyone tries to improve who they are, even the ones who fail.

Jason

I would like to disagree with you, or offer you advice, but I am in basically in the same situation. I am 39 and have been depressed and socially anxious most of my life. Consequently my involvement in life is at a very low level. I recently moved to finally be with my girlfriend, but it has not worked out the way I had hoped. I have been unable to find work, and I am still very withdrawn when I am not with her. I basically feel that after years and years of telling myself that I am going to start now and make real changes in my life I fear that my problems have reached the point of no return. I am poor, in debt, under skilled, in poor health, riddled with anxiety, and on and on. My fear is that when it comes time to die I'll look back and think it just wasn't worth it.

There are though some things I have mulled over in my mind that cause me to question the inevitability of my suicide. Maybe they'll help you maybe they won't, but they probably can't hurt.

I am a very firm believer that death is the complete end of my and everyone else's existence. Meaning you're going to die one day anyway and this life is all you will have had. There is an exact date when you will die too. You don't know when it is, but it is there waiting for you in the future. It could be 30 years from now it could be six months from now. Natasha Richardson probably never thought she would die at age 45. You may die before you get around to killing yourself. At least while you are here put your energy into living instead of dying.

You won't be able to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. If you could you would, but you haven't so you can't. You need to seek outside, professional help if you really plan to improve your lot in life. Modern cognitive therapies are much more problem oriented and direct than older therapies and have a good success rate helping people. Lately I have been looking into something called Acceptance and Commitment Therapy which takes a completely opposite approach that I find very intriguing when applied to people like me who avoid everything in life. I can't kill myself until I have at least given it a try. If you want some suggestions just ask I can help you out with some books.

Anti-depressants never helped me that much. They never hurt me either. Try them. I know people who have been helped a great deal by them. Don't kill yourself until you have tried three different types.

I find it helpful to look at my future as a kind of experiment. I believe I am at rock bottom now. So exactly how far is it possible to climb up from that? Science is about trying to constantly disprove a theory. Anything that disproves the theory that I should kill myself can only be good for me.

After awhile suicidal thinking becomes a crutch, you use it to excuse your your inadequacies and it creates a vicious cycle. There is a part of me that will look at this post and think it is horrible and think that there are a thousand people on the Star Trek BBS who write better than I do and since I'll never be as good as them that makes me worthless. But like most of the things I think about myself I am probably wrong.

 

[Jayson]

I apreciate the advice everyone has given and hope things workout well for everyone. I am trying to find hope but it's not easy. Emotion has away of eating away at hope and logic. I am going back on Luvox and that might help. I sometimes wonder though if part of me likes and wants to feel this bad. I wonder if ya might feel this way as well at times. Deppression is sort of like love in that it's intense and pretty consuming. It's wierd but the world doesn't seem so bad when my deppression is at it's worst. Things like politics and all the other crap doesn't seem to matter and the only things that do isthings like love and friendship and being part of something with meaning. There is something appealing about that clarity even if makes you feel worst later on when you feel like your not apart of it.

Jason

 

[Jen]

I've known a couple of people who committed suicide. It's easy to see it as selfishness or to feel anger at the people you feel drove them to take their own lives, but neither is fair.

I'm not angry with my friend. I understand now that he was in a great deal of pain and didn't know how to deal with it. But I do view it as selfish. Most people have others that care about them greatly. When you take your own life, you don't think about how those people are going to feel. You simply care about making the pain stop.

And I talk from first hand experience. I've attempted suicide before.

Suicide results when someone feels that life is too painful to live, which is a horrible, tragic thing. Especially when you know that their pain is blinding them to much better options, whether that involves therapy or medication or simply moving to a new place or making new friends. Many people avoid seeking help because they believe themselves to be weak or a failure for feeling the way they do; nothing could be further from the truth. A person with depression can't control the levels of neurotransmitters in his brain any more than a person with anemia can control his blood cells or a person with diabetes can control his blood sugar. Medication and a change in lifestyle is needed, and neither is anything to be ashamed of or afraid of.

This is 100% true. Seeking help is the best thing you can do. Also realizing that you're not alone helps as well. Millions of people suffer from depression. If you know it, don't assume that no one can help you. Don't think that you're the only person in the world who's feeling this. Go see a doctor. Go to a support group. Do something other than suicide. Please.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

Jayson, I'm going to add to what everyone else is saying. I've struggled with depression for over 30 years.

Being depressed and also sometimes feeling suicidal isn't for a "reason" the way you are thinking. I know it seems that way. I really do know that. In your mind you think you have reasons why you feel depressed, you think you have reasons why suicide is a solution.

But those reasons are always there, still there when you aren't depressed. And in fact, every person in the world has those same things in their lives. People with really cool, amazing lives still feel depressed and suicidal. The reasons that seem logical are just things your brain has picked as reasons.

On a different day, when you are feeling more resiliant, those reasons wouldn't mean as much, or they wouldn't mean anything at all.

The reason you feel depressed is because your brain has trained itself to go into that mood level. It sounds cheap and stupid, but it really is true. Whatever depresses today won't depress everyone else, and it won't depress you next week. It is you, sorry I'm blaming the victim here, but it is not just life, it is how you have been trained like Pavlov's dog to react to life.

Ring the bell, and instead of salivating, you lose all hope. You lose the potential to feel joy from doing things that normally you would feel happy doing.

You can change that. It takes work, and for some people it can take some medication, or some help from a therapist, but you can be different.

But it's really hard to feel hope for getting better when you are depressed, because depression turns off the hope switch. It's really hard to be motivated to change yourself when depression turns off the motivation switch. It's really hard to build yourself up when depression turns off the ambition switch.

You can learn to keep these switches under better control. You really can.

 

[RJDiogenes]

I've known a couple of people who committed suicide. It's easy to see it as selfishness or to feel anger at the people you feel drove them to take their own lives, but neither is fair.

I'm not angry with my friend.

It's a long story, but in one case I blamed my friend's parents, because they were a couple of wackos who screwed up all their kids. Of course, I eventually realized that they had problems of their own and I became more sympathetic.

But it's really hard to feel hope for getting better when you are depressed, because depression turns off the hope switch. It's really hard to be motivated to change yourself when depression turns off the motivation switch. It's really hard to build yourself up when depression turns off the ambition switch.

This is a very good point. Depression is almost a Catch-22. That's why people who have difficulty with it shouldn't feel weak; they are up against a powerful foe.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

Just remember, that if family members discover your suicide, they may destroy a suicide note after reading it and try to make your death look like an accident for various reasons, and as for the tranny cheerleader, I dated a tranny once and almost never knew it, wasn't that bad of an experience really

Well if/when I kill myself someday I don't plan to do it where my family discovers the body. That would be horrible. I like the idea of driving somewhere sort of secluded but not so secluded the cops don't find me and take a bunch of sleeping pills. Fade away peacefully while listening to music.

As for the tranny he/she seems pretty cool. He she is kind of into gross stuff but I already mentioned I don't want to anything that involes poop or pee. Mostly it will just be some bondage and roll playing.


Jason

Killing oneself is an incredibly selfish thing to do. Don't you think?

Oh, and is your tranny one of our resident poisters here?

***One more thing. The cure for anyone who is lost in their life is Jesus Christ. He'll change you in this life and beyond.***

 

[LaxScrutiny]

Jesus loves me up the bum,

I love it too when the Lord hath come.

 

[Jen]

***One more thing. The cure for anyone who is lost in their life is Jesus Christ. He'll change you in this life and beyond.***

I don't want to turn this into a religious debate, but for those of us who don't believe in the Christian God, this doesn't work.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

***One more thing. The cure for anyone who is lost in their life is Jesus Christ. He'll change you in this life and beyond.***

I don't want to turn this into a religious debate, but for those of us who don't believe in the Christian God, this doesn't work.

For me it's nothing about religious debate, it's about repeating a slogan. There's no thought or understanding or compassion in slogans, and just repeating them adds nothing to a conversation, it's just spam.

If TLS genuinly has some information about how Jesus could be helpful in a situtation like this, that is one thing. But he may as well just be spamming an advert for that poker website that's advertising over to the right.

 

[The Boy Who Cried Worf]

Actually Jesus doesn't love you unless you love him. He is apparently indifferent to anyone who does not love him first and will deny those people the right to ever be with him.

 

[Star Treks]

I'm not very good at talking about this kind of stuff, but I do feel that there's something I'd like to express to you, Jayson. I'll keep this very short and straightforward.

There was a time ... a long period of several years ... where I was very depressed, and very suicidal, and certain that suicide was the right choice, and also certain that things would never get better. And no matter what anybody said, my mind was never changed. I wanted to die.

Years later (and after plenty of suicide attempts and hospitalizations) I can say that not only am I recovering, but I have almost become a completely different person in terms of suicidality/depression. I am very, very happy that I never went through with suicide. While I don't think I was "stupid" to feel the way I did, or that it was even necessarily "wrong" I do understand things now in a way that I didn't before. Now life really is worth living.

Here's the key: you can always choose suicide tomorrow; but you can't ever take it back if you're successful. You may reach a point in your life where you will feel differently than you do now, and when you do, you'll be glad that you didn't choose a permanent solution to a temporary problem - no matter how earthshattering that problem may be now.

I know at least a little taste of what you're going through and I just want to encourage you to look for other alternatives.