Are Blu del Barrio and Ian Alexander series regulars in season 4?

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  1. Sci

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    "Neither of our species is what it was a million years ago, nor what it'll become in the future. Life is change." - T'Pol, ENT: "Terra Prime" (2005)
     
  2. Agony_Boothb

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    That is a bizarre thing for a fan of a progressive, forward thinking, forward looking science fiction tv show to say.
     
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    Welcome to fandom, where the past is always better.
     
  4. TimeIsAPredator

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    Maybe they can find him a magic space candle to live in :guffaw:

    I do hope they figure out a way to make him a real member of the crew though as I don't like the imaginary friend plot
     
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  5. dupersuper

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    I'm still not clear on how he's different from all the mental remnants of old Trill hosts in all of Trill history. Why is he seemingly still alive and libel to get a new body? In other shows I'd just expect an explanation as the story goes on, but despite what I consider Discovery's gradual improvement from season to season, it hasn't earned that much trust from me (I mean, the explanation for the burn...). Would it have something to do with the new host being human? If the medical know how existed to stabilize Riker when he was a host in the 24th century, would he have been driven mad by persistent apparitions of previous hosts?
     
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  6. fireproof78

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    Probably.
     
  7. Sci

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    I would assume that it's a combination of the traumatic circumstances under which the Tal symbiont was moved from Gray to Adira and Adira's being the first Human to successfully host a symbiont. I would hypothesize that Gray's mind was transferred into Adira in a way not typical of Trill transfers, because Tal did not have time to "disconnect" from Gray as it normally would have in a peaceful transfer; Gray was still connected to Tal and so Gray's mind was transferred more fully than what we had seen of past Trill hosts in DS9.

    You know, last year when I watched DIS S3, I didn't have a problem with that. This year? Well, my mother passed away not quite two months ago. And frankly...

    I mean, hell. A son's grief so powerful that it tore the galaxy apart. I get it. I relate.

    If my grief had been able to enter subspace, it would have shattered the galaxy too.
     
  8. Steve Roby

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    I'm lucky enough to still have my parents, who are in pretty good shape for 83, but... two and a half years ago my wife died of cancer and the grief isn't gone. Some parts of life gradually return to something like normal. But not everything. Losing a loved one isn't easy.

    Back to Star Trek. Sometimes I think, come on, this is pushing things a bit too much, having one of a Trill's past hosts exist separately like this and even be visible. But Star Trek does not exist in a universe with the same laws as ours. Consciousnesses can exist in globes and be transferred to living bodies, some can move between human bodies and computer systems without direct physical connection, stone arks can hold consciousness backups that can be reinstalled in a blank body, and any number of consciousnesses exist as free floating energy forms, some with almost limitless powers. This sort of thing has always been part of Star Trek, going back to the 1960s. If any kind of handwave is needed, well, maybe some of the Trill are on the verge of becoming energy beings and the problematic transfer set off a weird accident. Maybe a passing Q or a Douwd played a practical joke or an act of mercy. There's any number of possible in-universe explanations no sillier than things we've seen in half a dozen other Star Trek series.
     
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    Sorry for your loss Sci :(

    Regarding the Burn, I get that people wanted the cause to be The Dominion or some type of stellar phenomena or some 'tier 1 civilisation' threatened by the Federations expansion. The thing is that none of that is remotely interesting or relatable. However grief, pain and loneliness are very relatable and exploring those themes through Su'kal and the Burn was truly trekkian. It was something that was straight out of TOS.
     
  10. F. King Daniel

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    I have a somewhat strange question about Gray. I know Ian Alexander is trans and Blu del Barrio is non-binary. Blu's character of Adira is also non-binary but is the in-universe character of Gray trans?

    No, it doesn't really matter I'm just curious.
     
  11. The Wormhole

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    IIRC, the press release for the casting of Ian Alexander and Blu del Barrio did indicate that Gray is transgender, but I don't think that's been addressed in the show.
     
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    Thanks. I went back and re-read it before posting, but it was a little blurry as to whether they were referring to the actor or character.
     
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    It always has been with those two.
     
  14. Sci

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    My condolences. It certainly never is easy. There's a quote I remembered from a book -- I'm paraphrasing it, but it went something like, "The world did not stop turning when you left us. The ground did not shake. But it should have. It should have."

    Yep.

    Thank you.

    I agree completely. I liked the Su'kal revelation last year; I imagine it will be a while before I'll be able to watch his episodes again, but the memory of those episodes is all the more powerful and poignant to me now.

    Yeah, it hasn't been explicitly established in dialogue yet that Gray is transgender, but between his actor's status and the press release, I interpret him as transgender.
     
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    Completely agree. It's amazing how dismissive of grief and trauma people can be. Truly saddening when you realize these experiences will be experienced by most humans. And, one of the things I have always appreciated about Trek is putting on screen what some real life experiences are like. It gives voices to very intense experiences.
     
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    Yeah I don't get it either. But then some trekkies seem to struggle with the emotional stuff. Which again is weird because Star Trek is full of emotion. Even TNG which was often dour and staid and proper was at it's best when it went big on emotions.
     
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    Well, it might not be so strange if we consider the breakout icons were characters presented as unfeeling, like Spock.
     
  18. dupersuper

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    Yes, Star Trek's historical wholesale acceptance of Cartesian Dualism certainly prevents this from being in any way a deal breaker, I just would appreciate some further explanation.

    It may come up now that he's...less dead.

    I love the emotional stuff in character arcs. I'm no fan of the emotional stuff as an explanation for the scientific stuff.
     
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    Nhan's actress was a series regular for her duration last year, so I sure as heck hope so.
     
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    I like Blu del Barrio and the Adira character, but not a fan of the Gray character. He was good in Forget Me Not but served no purpose after. It was pretty clear the writers struggled what to do with him for the rest of S3. I think he holds Adira's character back to be honest. Hopefully the writers have something interesting in store for Gray for S4.
     
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