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Archers ready room drawings...

Rabittooth

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I'm sure these have made a circulation before, but just in case, thought I'd share:

ent-all.jpg


http://www.rabittooth.com/ent1.jpg

http://www.rabittooth.com/ent2.jpg

http://www.rabittooth.com/ent3.jpg

http://www.rabittooth.com/ent4.jpg

I think they could be resized to print at the screen accurate size and still look pretty decent. :techman:

-Rabittooth
 
I've been going back and forth, comparing the two sets...there are subtle differences. They look like two different renderings to me. The startrek.com artwork seems more...charcoal-ish? to me, while a couple of Rabbittooth's look more like a mix of charcoal and watercolor. But I really don't know what I'm talking about, LOL. A true artist's eye would be better able to analyze.

I like having both. :D Thanks!

p.s. Rabbittooth, I noticed that you have great taste in comics. :cool: I love Calvin and Hobbes. You have many of my favorites on your site. (But I have a zillion favorites, of course.)
 
I'm not sure but I think the ones at the official website are of higher quality... They may be smaller but I think the quality is much better. http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/store/downloads/desktops.html

You're right. I've redone them... take a look at these:

http://www.rabittooth.com/ent1.jpg

http://www.rabittooth.com/ent2.jpg

http://www.rabittooth.com/ent3.jpg

http://www.rabittooth.com/ent4.jpg

Those might serve better as printable props.

p.s. Rabbittooth, I noticed that you have great taste in comics. :cool: I love Calvin and Hobbes. You have many of my favorites on your site. (But I have a zillion favorites, of course.)

:cool: Me too. I've yet to see a better comic strip. Wish he'd start them up again. :confused:

-Rabittooth
 
Nope.

That is, it depends on your viewpoint.

The ship that Uhura and Chekov visited was said to the USS Enterprise, CVN-65. In the real world, the vessel that bears that name and registry looks exactly like in that drawing, and Picard's ready room wall also had a relief that looked like this. Also, in the real world, this look is unique to CVN-65, as the funny-looking command tower or "island" features a distinct square radar array (for a radar that has long since been abandoned).

However, during the filming of the movie, the Enterprise was not at port and could not be filmed. Instead, the non-nuclear USS Ranger, CV-61, was dressed up as the Enterprise.

Since the external differences between the real Ranger and the real Enterprise are in fact rather minimal and superficial (essentially limited to that "island" which, as said, only looks like that because nobody has bothered to completely remove a bit of outdated hardware), it would by no means be difficult to claim one of the following:

1) In the Trek universe, CVN-65 looked like the real Ranger in the 1980s but was refitted to look like the real Enterprise later on, and is remembered in her final guise.

2) In the Trek universe, CVN-65 looked like the real Enterprise originally, but was refitted to look like the real Ranger in the 1980s, yet is usually remembered in her original guise.

3) In the Trek universe, there were at least two nuclear carriers named Enterprise. The one registered CVN-65 looked like the real Ranger, and was in existence in the 1980s. The other, carrying some other registry such as CVN-52 or CVN-96, looked like the real Enterprise and was in existence before or after the ship that Chekov and Uhura visited. This other vessel is the one that is better remembered, possibly because she participated in the Vietnam War or the Eugenics War or WWIII while the Trek CVN-65 only served in the Cold War and never actually fought any real battles.

Take your pick or make your own bit of pseudohistory. The fact is, a total of three different aircraft carriers supposedly named Enterprise have been shown in Star Trek (the two discussed above, plus the old WWII carrier CV-6 which is visible as a drawing on the recreation deck in ST:TMP). Of these, we only know that the one that at one point looked like the real Ranger had the registry CVN-65 as visible on some ST4 props; the Trek registries for the other two vessels have not been clearly shown or told.

That is, unless you can somehow zoom in on Archer's artwork and see the numbers "65" on the bow of the flight deck. But if you can't do that in an actual episode, but only manage it if you use backstage sources, does it count?

Timo Saloniemi
 
Only issue here is that the US has built 2 USS Enterprise carriers, WW2 era and nuclear era, why aren't they both depicted?
 
Because they look too similar and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference on TV. Its also somewhat redundant since in the pictures presented you have the 4 ages of "sailing".
 
Ok, ill buy that line of reasoning, but wasn't there also a drawing of a ring ship in there at some point? I swear there was a ring ship depicted in one of the series in a lineage display that sparked some debate.
 
Hi all,

I just wonder if anyone knows the exact dimensions of the drawings and the whole display? I would like to make a full scale replica for my living room of the drawings behind the frosted glass. I'm such a geek, I know.
Thanks,
String.
 
Because they look too similar and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference on TV. Its also somewhat redundant since in the pictures presented you have the 4 ages of "sailing".

Indeed, we should assume that there have been significantly more Enterprises than just one per all of the eras presented. Thanks to numerous onscreen bits of dialogue, we know there are no more than six UFP Starfleet Enterprises, from Kirk's TOS ship to Picard's E-E. However, ENT teaches us that there was at least one starship Enterprise before the UFP Starfleet came to be, so we could readily assume there were several. Nobody claimed Archer's ship was the first starship Enterprise, after all.

And yes, there have been at least two USN aircraft carriers of that name. There could easily have been a third and a fourth, too - or then other USN vessel types, such as a cruiser or a destroyer. Any of the other English-speaking navies could have had Enterprises, too, quite possibly dozens upon dozens of them. It's likely for the Singapore navy to launch one, for example; they have a thing for pompously abstract names of just that sort.

The odd thing is why so many Starfleet displays show the real nuclear carrier CVN-65 when she never did much to distinguish herself, while only one display shows the real conventional carrier CV-6 which was an active and crucial combatant in a number of Pacific War battles (although perhaps not as crucial as some other carriers that did not survive the war). Perhaps in the Trek universe, the ship that looks like the real CVN-65 was a key player in a war that did not take place in our universe - say, the Eugenics one?

Timo Saloniemi
 
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