Arc speculation about gangers (Spoilers if I'm right!)

[Lonemagpie]

I don't think the ganger Doctor will be anything to do with the Doctor's death in The Impossible Astronaut - I think that'll be timey-wimey shenanigans. No, the duplicate Doc is what we're *supposed* to be distracted by...

But... I do think the gangers have something to do with Amy's on-off pregnancy, and the eyepatch woman. I think Amy from Day Of The Moon onwards (after the three month gap) is a ganger, and her original is the pregnant one being looked after in a harness by the eyepatch woman... And occasionally ganger Amy gets a flash of what real Amy is experiencing. And the TARDIS somehow knows that real Amy is up the duff but this Amy isn't - there's enough of a link between them.

In the trailer for the season there was a scene with the Doctor telling Amy to her face that they'll come and find her - surely he's talking to her "operator", the real Amy in a harness somewhere.

I'm also torn as to whether that has anything to do with the Silence, or whether it's a separate issue- if Amy was abducted to the 22nd century during the three months, then it might actually not be them behind it, as that was before they took her in DOTM - she saw eyepatch woman before being kidnapped by the Silence. On the other hand, maybe their being with her on Earth in that episode, for her to be so easily rescued, was actually part of their (or their boss') plan to introduce her into the TARDIS

I also think that at the end of the series, Rory and Amy will leave to settle down with their kid. Even if that is River Song....

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ That's fascinating theory. I quite like it. I too think that there were things going on in the episode that were meant to distract us from the larger arc.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

This seems plausible.

On the one hand, as villainous plans go, it seems insanely convoluted, even for Doctor Who. It makes Davros' plans seem like the models of simplicity.

On the other hand, it would explain how Amy can be five months pregnant and not-five-months pregnant at the same time. And that's something that has genuinely bugged me.

 

[Australis]

Mmmmm, no. Too convoluted for a muggle audience.

I do think the ganger Doctor isn't in the spacesuit, that it's the real Doctor coming back to what is his after letting the ganger live for 200 years, an agreement they had. I don't think the Doctor is going to find life, in his form, is so 'right' after all. By the same token it could be something else altogether.

But part of me thinks we'll get a turn about of some kind, just like last year. The Pandorica closed, with the Doctor in it... and opened with Amy in it. That, you have to admit, was very bloody clever.

And on the Pandorica, we still don't have the full story on which universe/timeline we're in. The Dalek thing and the parents thing is a long way from resolved to my satisfaction. I have a bit of anxiety about a Lost-type situation.

 

[Lonemagpie]

Mmmmm, no. Too convoluted for a muggle audience.

Not really - you underestimate them the way the suits do, and having a story about duplicates with a duplicate Doctor is something they'll definitely remember if it comes to having a ganger Amy - so everything they'll need to understand about the concept they've got here.

 

[Snatcher42]

Even if it turns out not to be true, I think the just of what you're saying (that we've been running around with a ganger Amy most of the season, while the real one is locked away somewhere in a harness) is great. It easily explains the whole pregnant/not pregnant scan. The real Amy is pregnant, and the ganger body doesn't quite know how to duplicate that.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Not really - you underestimate them the way the suits do, and having a story about duplicates with a duplicate Doctor is something they'll definitely remember if it comes to having a ganger Amy - so everything they'll need to understand about the concept they've got here.

Plus, the reveal of Ganger-Amy would likely be next week's mind-blowing cliffhanger, so there wouldn't be anything to remember; the audience is already primed with a duplicate Doctor, and now they find out that Amy's a duplicate, too.

 

[Skellington]

The "'ganger Amy" theory sounds like it has the ring of truth about it. As for the Doctor murdering the clone in cold blood: No way. That's the kind of thing that he would never contemplate.

 

[Lonemagpie]

Oh, and if I am right, and that line from the season trailer will be part of the cliffhanger on Saturday, I don't think it's a cliffhanger out of left field either - it'd be putting Amy on equal footing with Rory the Roman, and giving them an extra layer of connection as a couple.

 

[Lonemagpie]

Not really - you underestimate them the way the suits do, and having a story about duplicates with a duplicate Doctor is something they'll definitely remember if it comes to having a ganger Amy - so everything they'll need to understand about the concept they've got here.

Plus, the reveal of Ganger-Amy would likely be next week's mind-blowing cliffhanger, so there wouldn't be anything to remember; the audience is already primed with a duplicate Doctor, and now they find out that Amy's a duplicate, too.

Yeah - you're already primed with ganger Doctor (who'll probably sacrifice himself somehow) and then get told Amy was one all along... (or at least since DOTM)

 

[Worf2DS9]

Cool theory. Except I absolutely hope Amy & Rory's kid is NOT River Song. This notion has been bandied about since the beginning of the season and it's one I do not like at all.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Cool theory. Except I absolutely hope Amy & Rory's kid is NOT River Song. This notion has been bandied about since the beginning of the season and it's one I do not like at all.

The thing is, I expect it because Moffat has said that River's actual story isn't that interesting and he expects it to disappoint some people. River's conversation with Rory in "The Impossible Astronaut" rules out the interesting possibilities -- she's not a Doctor stalker, she's not the avatar of the TARDIS. There's not a lot left. The child of Amy and Rory would be obvious and anti-climatic, which is why I now expect it.

 

[Lonemagpie]

Cool theory. Except I absolutely hope Amy & Rory's kid is NOT River Song. This notion has been bandied about since the beginning of the season and it's one I do not like at all.

The thing is, I expect it because Moffat has said that River's actual story isn't that interesting and he expects it to disappoint some people. River's conversation with Rory in "The Impossible Astronaut" rules out the interesting possibilities -- she's not a Doctor stalker, she's not the avatar of the TARDIS. There's not a lot left. The child of Amy and Rory would be obvious and anti-climatic, which is why I now expect it.

I expect it because the guy that Moff was specifically talking about in his rant about fan spoilers was the guy who recorded on a cellphone them filming River telling Amy that she's her mother... And then posted said clip on the net

 

[Skellington]

^ I'd read something similar. Maybe you should spoilerise that bit, though.

 

[Worf2DS9]

Well, that's disappointing. It's just too contrived to me. The Doctor just happens to drop into Amelia Pond's yard after his regeneration, and she just happens to be the daughter of his future companions, who he's already met as an adult? And if River is Amy's daughter, what could she have possibly whispered to Ten in the Series 4 two-parter? The theory is his name, but why would the Doctor reveal that to Amy's daughter, when it's something he apparently never told any of his other companions over the years? I dunno, it just seemed to me that the mysterious hints River has divulged in her appearances suggests something more weighty and meaningful than something as bland and cheap as "Oh, I'm Amy's daughter."

 

[Allyn Gibson]

I expect it because the guy that Moff was specifically talking about in his rant about fan spoilers was the guy who recorded on a cellphone them filming River telling Amy that she's her mother... And then posted said clip on the net

I thought he was complaining specifically about the person who put up the plot summary of "The Impossible Astronaut"/"Day of the Moon" after the preview screenings. Of course, my thought was, "Moff, what did you expect...?"

Though I am aware that one of the production assistants complained on Twitter about the fan filming of episode 13. But again, what do they expect? If they decide to film Doctor Who in front of a live audience, they're not going to be able to keep things secret.

Well, that's disappointing. It's just too contrived to me. The Doctor just happens to drop into Amelia Pond's yard after his regeneration, and she just happens to be the daughter of his future companions, who he's already met as an adult? And if River is Amy's daughter, what could she have possibly whispered to Ten in the Series 4 two-parter? The theory is his name, but why would the Doctor reveal that to Amy's daughter, when it's something he apparently never told any of his other companions over the years? I dunno, it just seemed to me that the mysterious hints River has divulged in her appearances suggests something more weighty and meaningful than something as bland and cheap as "Oh, I'm Amy's daughter."

So you don't think River is the Doctor's future wife?

 

[Venardhi]

Well, that's disappointing. It's just too contrived to me. The Doctor just happens to drop into Amelia Pond's yard after his regeneration, and she just happens to be the daughter of his future companions, who he's already met as an adult? And if River is Amy's daughter, what could she have possibly whispered to Ten in the Series 4 two-parter? The theory is his name, but why would the Doctor reveal that to Amy's daughter, when it's something he apparently never told any of his other companions over the years? I dunno, it just seemed to me that the mysterious hints River has divulged in her appearances suggests something more weighty and meaningful than something as bland and cheap as "Oh, I'm Amy's daughter."

Those things didn't just happen, they always happened and had to happen. Timey wimey wot wot.

 

[Admiral_Young]

It would have been probably something like "I'm the daughter of a future companion of yours." Rather than the name it's self. River has given warning of spoilers and that's still vague enough to have the Doctor trust her to a degree.

 

[Candlelight]

I think we're all supposed to forget the Doctor's death in The Impossible Astronaut. Moffat clearly didn't think it through and now he'll try and distract us with bright flashy lights. And Daleks. And Laker Girls.

 

[Starkers]

If Amy was a ganger, wouldn't the Tardis scans notice this?