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Appreciating the uniquely 1960s genres/tropes in TOS

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TNG had villainous androids (Lore, Data whenever he was taken over by a villain) and TOS had virtuous androids (Rayna). Rayna Kapec is actually an interesting example, because Data's daughter Lal suffers essentially the same fate of being unable to stay together while handling painful emotions.
 
Well, that's super easy: What changed his mind was that for the first time people thought that artifical intelligence could, theoretically, one day become truly intelligent. As soon as the possibility of "true" intelligence entered the scene, not just the fakery of it, Roddenberry immedialy switched back to his humanitarian, liberal-minded side.

That's a specious oversimplification at best. It's not as if the concept of strong AI never existed before 1973 -- I have no idea where you're getting that idea. Even Asimov's robots with their strict Three Laws programming were always portrayed as fully sapient beings, and were often the heroes of the stories. Questor is nothing if not reminiscent of Asimov's R. Daneel Olivaw (and indeed I've always seen Robert Foxworth as Daneel in my mind's eye when I read the Robot novels). Eando Binder's 1939 short story "I, Robot" (whose title Doubleday stole for Asimov's first robot-story collection over Asimov's protest) is about a robot that possesses consciousness (hence the title) even though it knows people will never accept the fact. Said story was adapted by The Outer Limits in 1964 (with Leonard Nimoy), so it's hardly as if the concept was unknown to TV writers at the time. In real AI research, scientists in the field were saying as early as the 1950s that they believed artificial intelligence would match human intelligence within as little as two decades.

And of course, let's not forget the one time TOS did portray AI more positively and sympathetically, in "Requiem for Methuselah." Even if she was fatally incapable of processing emotion, the episode did treat Rayna as a conscious, thinking, feeling person who had lived and died.

Also, Gene Roddenberry did not exist in a vacuum, and neither did Star Trek. TOS was a show that had many creators, and those creators were drawing on many tropes from the culture and literature that preceded the show. As I said, the trope of AI as a threat to humanity has been part of science fiction since long before TOS and continues to be to this day in franchises like Terminator and The Matrix, though we often get more ambiguous takes like Ex Machina and Humans. And of course, stories that painted AIs more sympathetically have been part of the literature for generations as well. Arguably this dichotomy goes back to what's generally considered the first science fiction novel, Frankenstein. Both sets of tropes were already well-established and available for TOS's various writers to draw on, but "Requiem for Methuselah" was the one time they really went for the more sympathetic approach.
 
And of course, let's not forget the one time TOS did portray AI more positively and sympathetically, in "Requiem for Methuselah." Even if she was fatally incapable of processing emotion, the episode did treat Rayna as a conscious, thinking, feeling person who had lived and died.
If only someone hadn't forgotten.... ;)
TNG had villainous androids (Lore, Data whenever he was taken over by a villain) and TOS had virtuous androids (Rayna). Rayna Kapec is actually an interesting example, because Data's daughter Lal suffers essentially the same fate of being unable to stay together while handling painful emotions.
 
TNG had villainous androids (Lore, Data whenever he was taken over by a villain) and TOS had virtuous androids (Rayna). Rayna Kapec is actually an interesting example, because Data's daughter Lal suffers essentially the same fate of being unable to stay together while handling painful emotions.

Oh, nice comparison of Rayna and Lal.
 
A lot of people have said that Forbidden Planet had influenced Roddenberry back in the day and it's quite plausible!
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Other way around. From Al Jackson, who worked on the LEM simulator during the Apollo days:

"I have a different story about Roddenberry and Star Trek. I may be repeating something I have posted here. I went to the Worldcon in Cleveland , labor day weekend 1966. Gene Roddenberry came and showed the first pilot (they didn’t use) at the con. Fans were impressed , since there had been no space opera like it for 10 years, since Forbidden Planet. Next day Roddenberry was in the lobby with a model of the Enterprise. Not a single soul was talking to him. So walked over to him and said “lots of that looked very familiar to me!”. He smiled and said “it should”. He started talking about all the nomenclature he borrowed. He had read Astounding in the 1940s and 1950s, FTL ‘warp drive’ , matter transmitter, lots and lots of stuff familiar to fans who read prose SF. Roddenberry did not mention Forbidden Planet probably because Forbidden Planet borrowed all it stuff from the pages of Astounding of the 1940s."
 
I see that as more of a pro-freedom sentiment, definitely in the case of Landru.

With Val there was also responding to a enemy who was actively attacking.

Nomad was solely a enemy who was attacking.

With Yonada, the computer wasn't shut down, apparent only the heat units. The aim there was a course correction. It's unclear if the Oracle would have continued to operate.

I can vouch for the anti-computer sentiment. Luddism in general. Star Trek was coming off a gung-ho, technology will save everything mindset in the 40s and 50s, and the 60s were the beginning of a big backlash.

The age of "Unsafe at Any Speed", "Silent Spring", The Peanuts character "5", etc.

And of course, let's not forget the one time TOS did portray AI more positively and sympathetically, in "Requiem for Methuselah." Even if she was fatally incapable of processing emotion, the episode did treat Rayna as a conscious, thinking, feeling person who had lived and died.

And Andrea and Ruk, too.

Hot women androids that are more or less indistinguishable from hot women were the exception.

This theme was not unique to Trek: the 1965 story Synth, by Keith Roberts, is a good contemporary example. 1966's A Code for Sam, by Lester del Rey, too, though those robots were not androids.
 
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