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Applying the Prime Directive to Africa?

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VulcanGuy

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Wouldn't Africa be better off fending for themselves?

Bringing European civilization to Africa has been a complete failure. Clearly they were not sufficiently advanced technologically or philosophically to be able to accept the European enlightenment. Their birth rate is the highest in the world even though they do not possess the capabilities of maintaining and preserving life.

Perhaps the AIDS virus is the invisible hand of nature at work attempting to curb population growth and prevent the entire African species from being wiped out.

Continued assistance from Europe is only prolonging their suffering.
 
...:wtf:

I'm trying to work out which part of this is the most crass and uninformed. I think my vote goes to "the entire African species", but it's a tough call.
 
...:wtf:

I'm trying to work out which part of this is the most crass and uninformed. I think my vote goes to "the entire African species", but it's a tough call.

Well, I know we were once the same species, but now that we have evolved so differently over millions of years we have become separate. Similar to how the Vulcans and Romulans do not consider themselves to share the same culture or values. Europeans and Africans are even more separate as we look completely different and do not share the same aesthetic traits.
 
Wouldn't Africa be better off fending for themselves? Bringing European civilization to Africa has been a complete failure. Clearly they were not sufficiently advanced technologically or philosophically to be able to accept the European enlightenment.

European enlightenment? You mean like the reign of King Leopold of Belgium in the Congo Free State? That enlightenment?

Or maybe you're referring to Apartheid in the Republic of South Africa?

Maybe you're thinking of the Germans' virtual extermination of the Herero and Namaqua peoples of Africa?

Or maybe you're thinking of the destruction of the Kingdom of Benin by Great Britain?

Maybe you're thinking of those bigass wars that Europe started and dragged everyone else into? Or the attempted genocides against their fellow Europeans?

Oh, wait, I know, you're talking about! You're talking about European imperialism in Africa!

Yeah, those Europeans were real enlightened, weren't they, what with the murder and conquest and war crimes and genocides. Real enlightened, that. Surely a sign of the superiority of European culture over others.

Their birth rate is the highest in the world even though they do not possess the capabilities of maintaining and preserving life.

Perhaps the AIDS virus is the invisible hand of nature at work attempting to curb population growth and prevent the entire African species from being wiped out.

That is astonishingly racist, and you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

For one thing, Africans aren't a species, they're a collection of thousands of different socially-defined ethnic groups.

For another thing, show me a single culture that recovers from centuries of conquest and oppression quickly or without problem, and I'll show you a culture that doesn't exist.

Is it fair to say that the ideals of the Enlightenment are not ones that had achieved widespread status in the various cultures of Africa through their own local efforts at the time that the Europeans conquered them? Sure, and as such it's fair to say that their political cultures are in a state of flux, learning to adopt those aspects of the Enlightenment that have served Europe and America well and adapt it to their own cultures. Is it fair to say that they're "primitive" or incapable of living according to those principles? No, it is not, because, as I just demonstrated above, Europeans didn't even live up to their own Enlightenment principles -- not amongst themselves (witness the World Wars and the Holocaust), and certainly not towards cultures they defined as being somehow inferior simply because they did not possess industrial technology.

Would the world, and Africa, have been much better if Europe had adopted a "prime directive" of sorts -- respecting other cultures and refraining from seeking to interfere with their internal affairs or, y'know, conquer and exploit them for the Europeans' economic benefit? Without question. Hell, had Europe sought to peacefully and non-coercively persuade other cultures to adopt Enlightenment principles without using force, conquest, or economic exploitation at the same time, but had instead treated those other cultures as equals and as partners, then the principles of the Enlightenment would probably have been spread the world over and we might today have been living in a world of peaceful and prosperous liberal democracies.

But they didn't -- and one of the reasons they didn't is that they decided that other cultures were primitive, or inferior, or incapable of achieving anything on their own, or somehow deserved to die. (And make no mistake, social Darwinism, a perversion of real evolutionary theory, of the sort you just espoused, was one of the prime justifications for the horrific crimes against humanity committed by the colonial powers in Africa.)

And keep in mind that it wasn't that many centuries ago that Europe was identical in every meaningful measure to Africa today. It's only been sixty years since European cultures stopped trying to kill each other all the damn time the way so many African cultures do -- and even that didn't stop in every part of Europe until recently.

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It has, for the record, been scientifically demonstrated that different racial and ethnic groups do not constitute separate subspecies or species, and that, in fact, "race" is a socially-defined concept rather than a biological one. There is no validity to your claim that Africans constitute a separate species from Europeans at all.

And, by the way, you're insulting my friends, supervisors, co-workers, women I've loved, and my President-elect when you make these claims. And, hell, you're also insulting me, since I'm 1/8th Cherokee in addition to being English, Irish, Welsh, Scottish, French, German, and Finnish. Am I the same "species" as you?
 
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Perhaps the AIDS virus is the invisible hand of nature at work attempting to curb population growth and prevent the entire African species from being wiped out.

geez! I find that offensive!
why don't you stop winding people up and give to a charity that can do something about it!
 
Wouldn't morons be better off fending for themselves?

Bringing civilization to morons has been a complete failure. Clearly they are not sufficiently advanced intellectually or philosophically to be able to accept our understanding of race, economics or history past what it was in 1832. Their presence seems to be the most abundant in the world even though they do not possess the ability to be truly useful members of society.

Perhaps an astronomically small IQ is the invisible hand of nature at work attempting to curb population growth and prevent the entire moronic species from overtaking the human species and wiping us all out, by means of such things as walking into doors, smoking in bed, lighting fireworks in your basement, etc. The big red button would be too tempting if too many morons were around, so Nature protects the human species.

Continued assistance from us is only prolonging their suffering. I say we cut the morons off, ship them off to Antarctica where they can form their own society. Sink or swim!
 
Bringing civilization to morons has been a complete failure. Clearly they are not sufficiently advanced intellectually or philosophically to be able to accept our understanding of race, economics or history past what it was in 1832.

You,sir ,are an example of your own f#*@d-up viewpoint.

I shall limit my response to that,lest I write what I really think and get banned.
 
Wouldn't Africa be better off fending for themselves?

Bringing European civilization to Africa has been a complete failure. Clearly they were not sufficiently advanced technologically or philosophically to be able to accept the European enlightenment. Their birth rate is the highest in the world even though they do not possess the capabilities of maintaining and preserving life.

Perhaps the AIDS virus is the invisible hand of nature at work attempting to curb population growth and prevent the entire African species from being wiped out.

Continued assistance from Europe is only prolonging their suffering.


While I do agree that Europe interfering with native tribes was a bad idea in the America's as well as Africa, this whole post seems racist, bigoted, and ignorant. I truly hope that wasn't intentional.
 
Bringing civilization to morons has been a complete failure. Clearly they are not sufficiently advanced intellectually or philosophically to be able to accept our understanding of race, economics or history past what it was in 1832.

You,sir ,are an example of your own f#*@d-up viewpoint.

I shall limit my response to that,lest I write what I really think and get banned.

He's making fun of VulcanGuy, not espousing any actual beliefs.
 
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