How so? If somebody pulls a gun on you, they are intending to kill you (you can't afford to take the risk, anyway), so how could you possibly make things any worse than that?
Anyone think Picard and Data were dead wrong in SILICON AVATAR?
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How so? If somebody pulls a gun on you, they are intending to kill you (you can't afford to take the risk, anyway), so how could you possibly make things any worse than that?
Sounds obvious to me. If somebody pulls a gun on you, there's the slim chance that he's trying to coerce you, not kill you outright. By pulling your gun, you win nothing: if he wanted to coerce, he now moves to kill, and he will fire first.
(Really, if somebody is out to kill you with a handgun, the odds of his success are about 100%. A loon with a rifle might miss. A loon with a pistol will get so close that you have no reaction time, nor hope of a miss. Unless said loon is high on something that impacts on his reasoning - in which case your best bet is to run, as he's unlikely to hit you at any appreciable distance.)
Timo Saloniemi
I've always agreed with Picard - he was willing to kill the CE if he had to but he wanted to see if he could get it to stop killing first, and let it know that it was killing sentient beings. Now if it had responded with "I don't care," then he probably would have destroyed it. But we don't know how it responded, because it was never given the chance.
Kila Marr spent a lifetime studying an entity that as far as we know was unique in the universe. The first time she met it, she destroyed it. That's destroying your own career, guys.
As for the point about the Borg, there is a huge difference between trying to communicate with a lifeform that has killed billions and letting it know that you can communicate, and stopping the crewmen for whom you are responsible from being absorbed into a collective consiousness that knows you can move and think and act of your own volition - and doesn't care. Especially if you've experienced that hell firsthand.
Kila Marr spent a lifetime studying an entity that as far as we know was unique in the universe. The first time she met it, she destroyed it. That's destroying your own career, guys.
As for the point about the Borg, there is a huge difference between trying to communicate with a lifeform that has killed billions and letting it know that you can communicate, and stopping the crewmen for whom you are responsible from being absorbed into a collective consiousness that knows you can move and think and act of your own volition - and doesn't care. Especially if you've experienced that hell firsthand.
Had it been my child/close friend/family member/girlfirend, Worf would have had to hold me back from the Photon Torpedo controls beause I would have been trying to blow the thing to hell.
That being said, they should have learned everything they could from it before any actions were to be taken. I would have been satisifed if they had been able to capture and contain it, use it for study and effectivly imprision it for its crimes.
If the entity had become a danger to te Enterprise, Picard would have given the order to destroy the entity. Data had a high level of scientific curiosity for the entity. As for Dr. Marr, I don't know if her career would necessarily be destroyed. But I do wonder exactly what would be left for her, since her focus of study was the entity, and she literally blew that to pieces.
That being said, they should have learned everything they could from it before any actions were to be taken. I would have been satisifed if they had been able to capture and contain it, use it for study and effectivly imprision it for its crimes.
If the entity had become a danger to te Enterprise, Picard would have given the order to destroy the entity. Data had a high level of scientific curiosity for the entity. As for Dr. Marr, I don't know if her career would necessarily be destroyed. But I do wonder exactly what would be left for her, since her focus of study was the entity, and she literally blew that to pieces.
Picard was wrong in this episode and in the "Hugh" episode. He had a chance to rid the Federation of serious threats in both and choose not to. Dr Marr was right to argue that it should be killed. Data was talking bollocks at the end too when he claimed it was the end of her career. It certainly shouldn't have been. Admiral Necheyev would have saved Dr Marr. She wouldn't have allowed her career to end.
Yeah, genocide is great, especially when it's essentially a slave race whose will has been taken away by force...
I'm kind of surprised by the moral stances of some people here. There seems to be a lot of prejudice including "guilty before proven innocent." A lot of making mountains out of molehills when it comes to how much of a threat the CE really was.
I'm kind of surprised by the moral stances of some people here. There seems to be a lot of prejudice including "guilty before proven innocent." A lot of making mountains out of molehills when it comes to how much of a threat the CE really was.
True. Guess those folks would love the justice system of the post-atomic horror, then! Guilty till proven innocent! LOL! -- RR
Starfleet didn't have a problem with that until the Borg became a threat again. Up until that point, they didn't say anything either way as far as we know.
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