Anyone have a picture of the new Klingon Battlecruiser/Warbird?

[SpaceLama]

Can't seem to find anything on it anywhere - although there are plenty of pictures of the Enterprise, Kelvin, Federation Fleet, and Narada - presumably there was a new CGI model for the Klingon Warbirds too...

Also... would be nice to see some artists show their impression of what TOS era ships would look like in the new timeline - like a re-imagined Romulan Bird of Prey.

 

[Shazam!]

Technically, they should look the same.

 

[The Badger]

Not necessarily. If they were designed after the Kelvin was destroyed then they might have been a different design, to counter the changes in Star Fleet.

 

[SpaceLama]

I don't think so Shazam.

Already there is evidence that in the new timeline, the Constitution Class is 700+ metres long. For the Klingons to maintain an effective fleet deterrent against the Constitution Class, they would have to have upscale their D7 Class design to similar sizes, or if it was already in service, introduce a new class.

The only explanation I can think of, about why the ships in the new movie are so huge in volume compared to the originals, is that in 2233, Nero started dumping 25th century technology into the 23rd century market - meaning Starfleet, the Klingon Defence Force, and Romulan Navy, are probably all operating technology in advance of TOS.

USS Kelvin (Both Timelines)
---------------------------
- Crew: 800
- Length: 400m+ ?

USS Enterprise (Main Timeline)
------------------------------
- Launched: 2245
- Crew: 400
- Length: 289m

USS Enterprise (New Timeline)
-----------------------------
- Launched: 2258
- Crew: 1000+ ???
- Length: 366m (intent) 718m-762m (final)

Thats unless the new movie simply has no connection to the previous timeline - and the 'original Spock' was just a gimmick to get people who don't like canon violations into the cinema. I would have just preferred them to call it a re-imagining in this case though, instead of maintaining that pretense.

 

[Shazam!]

Not necessarily. If they were designed after the Kelvin was destroyed then they might have been a different design, to counter the changes in Star Fleet.

They weren't though. They de-cloak just after the Kelvin has rammed Nero's ship.

 

[Shazam!]

the 'original Spock' was just a gimmick to get people who don't like canon violations into the cinema

That's exactly what it was. I too would've preferred a full on reboot as opposed to a version that occupies some nebulous territory in between reboot, re imagining and continuation.

 

[SpaceLama]

Not necessarily. If they were designed after the Kelvin was destroyed then they might have been a different design, to counter the changes in Star Fleet.

They weren't though. They de-cloak just after the Kelvin has rammed Nero's ship.

I assume this is from the Nero comic - I am not sure this should be considered equal to on-screen evidence - the artist seems to have simply taken the K'Tinga Class design, rather than copying whatever design was used in the Kobiyashi Maru test.

 

[Shazam!]

It's from a deleted scene in the movie. I haven't seen the design of the ships but if they're following their own rule of the changes in the time-line occurring when Nero turns up, then they should look the same as those TOS

 

[SpaceLama]

the 'original Spock' was just a gimmick to get people who don't like canon violations into the cinema

That's exactly what it was. I too would've preferred a full on reboot as opposed to a version that occupies some nebulous territory in between reboot, re imagining and continuation.

So would I - we are in complete agreement.

When Star Trek was being made, I saw it as an oppertunity to do a full-on re-imagining, and bring Star Trek closer to modern literary science fiction, in terms of technology. I was disappointed that they instead chose to link it into the original timeline in a gimmicky way - one hopes that the next film won't just bring main-timeline Shatner or Nimoy back for the sake of it.

 

[SpaceLama]

It's from a deleted scene in the movie. I haven't seen the design of the ships but if they're following their own rule of the changes in the time-line occurring when Nero turns up, then they should look the same as those TOS

Ah wow - you mean this is in the novellisation? Or in the extras on the DVD?

In that case, it does seem that the 'Klingon Warbird' seen in this scene, is a class of ship that must exist in the old timeline too, (assuming this isnt a reboot). In that case, maybe its the non-canonical D4 Class. Maybe there is a new D7 Class that we have not yet seen?

(More likely, it just doesn't make sense either way, lol).

 

[The Badger]

Well, I had assumed that the OP was referring to the ships seen in the Kobyashi Maru test. But as the Kelvin itself was a 'new' type of 'old' ship, I have no trouble with the idea that in 2233 the Klingons had a ship design that we never saw in TOS. Perhaps by that time it had been retired from frontline service?

 

[Shazam!]

I hear there was a whole sub-plot of Nero escaping from a Klingon prison cut out of the movie. How much of that ends up on the DVD (if any) remains to be seen.

I guess it is possible that the Klingons had ships from that time-frame that we've never seen before, but that sounds more like an excuse to redesign some ships for the sake of it as opposed to maintaining continuity.

 

[SpaceLama]

My feeling is that we will never see the ships de-cloaking in extended footage - because presumably, since that part was cut, the CGI for it was never made - and it would be expensive to do just for a DVD release.

 

[SpaceLama]

Well, I had assumed that the OP was referring to the ships seen in the Kobyashi Maru test.

Yeah, thats what I meant - discounting what Shazam has just said, this is definatly not a previously seen CGI model - so I would still like to see a picture of it.

 

[EJA]

They weren't though. They de-cloak just after the Kelvin has rammed Nero's ship.

They couldn't have decloaked, as the Klingons didn't have cloaking devices in the 2230s.

 

[urbandk]

Well, I don't really care whether or not they're different from the 1960s Klingon Birds of Prey. I think they probably would update the production design somewhat just because they have more money to play around with, if for no other reason.

In any event, does anybody have a picture or what? Isn't that what this thread is about?

 

[SalvorHardin]

I do not remember seeing any photos on any Klingon ships for Star Trek.
At this point we'll probably have to wait for the art book and the deleted scenes coming in November, to see if they have anything.

There is however a report from last year, when they were still screening the 20 minutes of movie footage that says :

http://stage.scifi.co.uk/blog/star-trek-concept-art-preview/

But the studio also previewed concept art that offered a glimpse into the top-secret story and the way Abrams’ Trek universe expands the original series.

......................

The drawings also revealed designs for Klingon warbirds, which retained the general shape of the ships from the TV show, but with altered details.

 

[barnaclelapse]

I don't think so Shazam.

Already there is evidence that in the new timeline, the Constitution Class is 700+ metres long. For the Klingons to maintain an effective fleet deterrent against the Constitution Class, they would have to have upscale their D7 Class design to similar sizes, or if it was already in service, introduce a new class.

The only explanation I can think of, about why the ships in the new movie are so huge in volume compared to the originals, is that in 2233, Nero started dumping 25th century technology into the 23rd century market - meaning Starfleet, the Klingon Defence Force, and Romulan Navy, are probably all operating technology in advance of TOS.

USS Kelvin (Both Timelines)
---------------------------
- Crew: 800
- Length: 400m+ ?

USS Enterprise (Main Timeline)
------------------------------
- Launched: 2245
- Crew: 400
- Length: 289m

USS Enterprise (New Timeline)
-----------------------------
- Launched: 2258
- Crew: 1000+ ???
- Length: 366m (intent) 718m-762m (final)

Thats unless the new movie simply has no connection to the previous timeline - and the 'original Spock' was just a gimmick to get people who don't like canon violations into the cinema. I would have just preferred them to call it a re-imagining in this case though, instead of maintaining that pretense.

Ehhhh...I don't think that's going to be the case.

At least, I sure as hell hope not.

 

[SpaceLama]

They weren't though. They de-cloak just after the Kelvin has rammed Nero's ship.

They couldn't have decloaked, as the Klingons didn't have cloaking devices in the 2230s.

More evidence the timeline was different to begin with.

CONCLUSION
=========

Either:

1). The singularity led from the original universe to one that was already alternate.

2). The singularily led from an alternate universe to another alternate universe.

Number one means it was 'our' Spock. Number two means it wasn't.

Personally I am more inclined to believe number two. Before anyone mentions the 'Temporal Cold War', its clear that Enterprise was 'meant' to be the normal way things happened before TOS.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Well, I had assumed that the OP was referring to the ships seen in the Kobyashi Maru test.

Yeah, thats what I meant - discounting what Shazam has just said, this is definatly not a previously seen CGI model - so I would still like to see a picture of it.

Those were updated D7s.