Perhaps, or perhaps people have just become jaded over the years with shows which promised so much yet failed to deliver. So they are more trepidatious about shows now.
Anyone excited for Krypton?
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Perhaps, or perhaps people have just become jaded over the years with shows which promised so much yet failed to deliver. So they are more trepidatious about shows now.
I might hulu it or something eventually, after predicting what they might or might not do. It airs this month so last-minute reshoots seem a tad late, noting the amount of color grading and other seen-it-all-before post-production schlock.
The teaser doesn't show anything compelling, much less original, as it's just one polished one-liner read after dripping one-liner after another trite cliché one-liner after another. And that's long before the sappy soft rock muzak belches in.
And the visuals and music are trying too hard to engender interest to make up for the yawn-inducing dialogue. The teaser also gives the look that Supes' family there might be able to fly. Which isn't, and can't if the makers actually know HOW Supes got his powers (SMH), but it is a "teaser". But we see the cape on cue and are all supposed to go "ooh!" and "aah!" Must be royalty, like the cape Burger King wore when battling that evil Ronald but losing to limper french fries...
They're telling a story I'm not sure anybody asked. Do we really care about Krytponians running around with their silly squabbles and sexcapades, that we've all seen before in almost every other franchise, over and over, before their sun goes boomboom two generations later as that was what prompted Jor-El to send baby bunting Kal-El to a planet he discovered, Earth, which will allow him to adapt, et cetera... Like "Titanic", we know how it ends. The only possibnle goal is to make the audience LIKE the Kyrptonians and to eventually feel their plight, knowing what will happen. We get the vibe in most movies and issues that Kal-El's lineage is noble. Yet-another-dark-maudlin-soapfest of unlikable characters isn't going to fly, pun most intended. The fact modern day Supes movies get him to not care when innocents die, or even his outfit using dark murky colors (yo, the outfits are brightly colored since superheroes wear bold bright clothing as a sign of optimism when coming in to save the day from genuinely dark figures. Every hero now having mustard yellow, vampire red, and asphyxiation blue is - forgive me - utterly stupid and missing the point. I still recall the one movie where he gets shacked but in another scene some building crashes and everyone dies and he doesn't seem to give a damn.) They threw in Zod as well... seemed like fanservice. I barely remember it, but they "reimagined" too much. I still remember a lot from previous Superman movies, which didn't need to change origins or remake something while shamelessly using the name of a franchise that was created without changing anything to begin with.
That and if a superhero needs to wear a rubber suit, it's going to smell real bad too.
I'll stick to pre-2006 Supes for now. "Corny" at times those were, yeah. It's also true to the spirit of the original. Which means it's not corny at all. The food condiment color outfits, sappy music, trite dialogue, big fancy explosions - that was corny a decade ago.
Granted, having read the originally intended Superman III before Lester made his live action cartoon only shows where the original could have gone, and far more effectively.
I've also had college instructors giving feedback that would make me seem like Mary Poppins' protégé by comparison...
The teaser doesn't show anything compelling, much less original, as it's just one polished one-liner read after dripping one-liner after another trite cliché one-liner after another. And that's long before the sappy soft rock muzak belches in.
And the visuals and music are trying too hard to engender interest to make up for the yawn-inducing dialogue. The teaser also gives the look that Supes' family there might be able to fly. Which isn't, and can't if the makers actually know HOW Supes got his powers (SMH), but it is a "teaser". But we see the cape on cue and are all supposed to go "ooh!" and "aah!" Must be royalty, like the cape Burger King wore when battling that evil Ronald but losing to limper french fries...
They're telling a story I'm not sure anybody asked. Do we really care about Krytponians running around with their silly squabbles and sexcapades, that we've all seen before in almost every other franchise, over and over, before their sun goes boomboom two generations later as that was what prompted Jor-El to send baby bunting Kal-El to a planet he discovered, Earth, which will allow him to adapt, et cetera... Like "Titanic", we know how it ends. The only possibnle goal is to make the audience LIKE the Kyrptonians and to eventually feel their plight, knowing what will happen. We get the vibe in most movies and issues that Kal-El's lineage is noble. Yet-another-dark-maudlin-soapfest of unlikable characters isn't going to fly, pun most intended. The fact modern day Supes movies get him to not care when innocents die, or even his outfit using dark murky colors (yo, the outfits are brightly colored since superheroes wear bold bright clothing as a sign of optimism when coming in to save the day from genuinely dark figures. Every hero now having mustard yellow, vampire red, and asphyxiation blue is - forgive me - utterly stupid and missing the point. I still recall the one movie where he gets shacked but in another scene some building crashes and everyone dies and he doesn't seem to give a damn.) They threw in Zod as well... seemed like fanservice. I barely remember it, but they "reimagined" too much. I still remember a lot from previous Superman movies, which didn't need to change origins or remake something while shamelessly using the name of a franchise that was created without changing anything to begin with.
That and if a superhero needs to wear a rubber suit, it's going to smell real bad too.
I'll stick to pre-2006 Supes for now. "Corny" at times those were, yeah. It's also true to the spirit of the original. Which means it's not corny at all. The food condiment color outfits, sappy music, trite dialogue, big fancy explosions - that was corny a decade ago.
Granted, having read the originally intended Superman III before Lester made his live action cartoon only shows where the original could have gone, and far more effectively.
I've also had college instructors giving feedback that would make me seem like Mary Poppins' protégé by comparison...
Reasonable post. Part of the critical failure of the Star Wars prequels is that the movie going world already knew where and how the story would end, so aside from certain interesting characters (Obi-Wan & Padme to name two), and Lucas sticking to his fairy tale influences, the journey was (ultimately) unnecessary and ended up polluting the franchise with inferior films. There was no strong reason to know more than what we already understood (from the original movies) about the rise of the Empire and/or Vader. Similarly, Krypton might have a difficult time staying away from plots or nods to what must come in the future. Constant, or season long callbacks (or calls forward) to the most important event associated with Krypton will be hard to avoid, unless the series sets out to paint a revisionist history to reduce the importance of Krypton's fate and Last Son to some mere incident, but not as important as some new plot (sort of what the Supergirl TV series did to Superman).
Remake after reboot after prequel-that-nobody-was-asking-to-explain-to-them. And most of those tarnish the original properties as a result.
Keeping in mind that the more one sees, the more expectations one has. And yet many of us don't blanketly hate new shows or sequels. I'm one of three people who rather enjoyed "The Last Jedi", which opens up the franchise to a lot more...
Guess this means Legends will never actually deal with the Thanagarian Invasion that Vandal Savage was supposed to stop, then?
They were unlikely to address it anyway, since the first season's story arcs were not that well-received and they've mostly avoided referring back to them. Besides, the timeline's been screwed up so much over the past two seasons that there's no guarantee it would even happen anymore.
Then they need to have an actual episode that spells out that the future has been averted, deal with Rip's family and halt the dystopian future that Diggle's son was GA in. They don't need to bring back the Hawks to do Thanagar.....and the waverider seems like it could double as a space ship if needed. (But... could it be a *star* ship? haha.)
The whole series is still in canon..... they can't, as heroes, in good conscious, leave the world to both a dystopian future AND an alien invasion. They know what is coming. If they make this big a deal over Mallus, and the Spear, but are content leaving the future of the world to its fate, then they are both *terrible* heroes and *complete* hypocrites.
Canon just means the episodes were broadcast and are part of the series.
They don't have to tell the stories you want to see or think they should. But if you makes you feel better pretend they solved those during the commercials
They already addressed that in passing at the end of season 1. As the Arrowverse Wiki puts it, "After the destruction of Oculus the Time Masters were unable to calculate the future of the current timeline, citing the Thanagarian invasion as a possibility that may or may not happen." Which means they're free to ignore it because it's now just one possible future out of many. The timeline's been subject to pretty constant alteration since then, between Flashpoint, aberrations, the Spear of Destiny, and the anachronisms resulting from the Legends "breaking history" and from Mallus's interventions. And Sara's just committed to altering the future to prevent Zari's dystopia, or at least saving her brother. In the wake of all that change, it makes no sense to assume that a single version of the future is still predestined to happen.
That was a totally unrelated pocket timeline, 129 years before the Thanagarian invasion and resulting from the Legends' failure to return to Star City in 2016. Since they did return to the present, that timeline was averted.
I also still want to know what happened to Rip's family now that Vandal Savage is no longer around to kill them.
Umm... I'm guessing... they weren't killed?
Don't you think he'd have at least mentioned their restored existence by now?
I'm with Christopher here. DOWNTON ABBEY was not spoiled because you knew that World War I was on the horizon, to be followed by the Roaring Twenties. Heck, DOWNTON ABBEY began with the shocking twist that--brace yourself--the Titanic sank. Likewise, THE AMERICANS remains compelling and suspenseful even though we know how the Cold War played out. Because the stories are primarily about the characters, their challenges and dramas and emotions and adventures. The grand sweep of history is mostly just the background, regardless of whether it's real history or the imaginary history of a fictional planet.
The difference is that Downton Abbey isn't about WWI, or the Titanic. It's about a fictional house full of a fictional family and their suspiciously well looked after servants playing out a revisionist pastiche of the class struggle in Britain. We know how WWI turned out, but that's the setting, the backdrop, not the story. Even a war movie doesn't try to build its story around 'who will win this war then?' it focuses much smaller scale - think Private Ryan. We knew the Allies would win the day, but what mattered was how Captain Tom Hanks would fare.
The problem prequel series often run into is that they do try to be about who won the war (figuratively speaking). Too much emphasis is placed on the big overarching story and it so the show isn't actually about the characters and their emotions and adventures, but about big plot devices which lead us to the point we all know is coming. The Star Wars prequels suffered from this, so did Caprica, so did Enterprise. It's possible to avoid it, don't get me wrong. Smallville did a pretty decent job of not being about the 'big picture' and so it really was mostly about its characters and what happened to them day-to-day. It was sensible enough to create a setting in its own right, rather than a sort of drawn out tease. I'd love it if Krypton could fashion it's own story, but the trailer heavily implies it is going to focus on Superman build-up.
The problem prequel series often run into is that they do try to be about who won the war (figuratively speaking). Too much emphasis is placed on the big overarching story and it so the show isn't actually about the characters and their emotions and adventures, but about big plot devices which lead us to the point we all know is coming. The Star Wars prequels suffered from this, so did Caprica, so did Enterprise. It's possible to avoid it, don't get me wrong. Smallville did a pretty decent job of not being about the 'big picture' and so it really was mostly about its characters and what happened to them day-to-day. It was sensible enough to create a setting in its own right, rather than a sort of drawn out tease. I'd love it if Krypton could fashion it's own story, but the trailer heavily implies it is going to focus on Superman build-up.
That's a fair point. I was more interested in the premise when it was presented as a tale of the intrigues among the El, Zod, and other prominent houses of Krypton in its prime. I do fear that the time travel element and the efforts to save the future will overshadow those.
But as always, what matters is the execution. Any idea can be done well or badly. And what I've seen in recent articles and promos has intrigued me more than the early descriptions did. If nothing else, it looks impressive.
Plus I think another thing is the timing of the series. In the last 30 years we've had 5 different Superman-related series. There was the Superboy from 1988-1992, Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman from 1993 to 1997, Smallville from 2001 to 2011, and now Supergirl, not to mention the Superman Returns, Man Of Steel, Superman vs. Batman & Justice League, plus over 30 animated TV series and Movies, the market has been over-saturated with Superman TV shows and movies, whereas, before 1988, we had had the 2 Superman serials in the 40's and the Fleischer/Famous Studios cartoons, the radio show, the 1951-1958 George Reeves TV series, and 2 animated TV series in the 60's and 70's/80's (the various Super Friends I'm just counting as one series). I think before there was time for people to rewatch those other series, whereas now it's kind of like "Okay, we're done here. NEXT SUPERMAN SERIES is...".
