Anyone else not notice anything amiss about Beltran's performance?

[Relayer1]

The crippling lack of character development and generally poor writing in Voyager applied even more to Chakotay. Beltran was justifiably disgusted (especially as it looked as if he should have actually been the most interesting character) and reacted accordingly.

Most of the cast reacted a little more professionally, but then again they were not quite as screwed over as he was. He apparently became harder to work with as the show limped on...

 

[TrekFan70]

Mulgrew had to be in an episode where she got turned into a lizard and had lizard babies with Paris, she didn't stop caring.

ROTFL!!

That single episode could be pointed to as "what was wrong with Voyager".

As for Beltran's acting, meh. I admit I found him very attractive back when the series was on the air. Recent photos of him, he's still not an unattractive man, though I'm not too keen on the longer hair.. *shrugs.. just a personal thing. I think he looked better with his hair trimmed shorter.

I can't really speculate about his performances because, he didn't really do much in a lot of the episodes. Chakotay was just there, where Riker for example was more actively part of what was going on.

Hard to judge the man for me at least.. I'd need to see more actual acting from him as Chakotay and since that won't happen..

Meh!

 

[Relayer1]

That single episode could be pointed to as "what was wrong with Voyager".

This goes for pretty much any episode...

 

[Killandra]

Mulgrew had to be in an episode where she got turned into a lizard and had lizard babies with Paris, she didn't stop caring.

ROTFL!!

That single episode could be pointed to as "what was wrong with Voyager".

As for Beltran's acting, meh. I admit I found him very attractive back when the series was on the air. Recent photos of him, he's still not an unattractive man, though I'm not too keen on the longer hair.. *shrugs.. just a personal thing. I think he looked better with his hair trimmed shorter.

I can't really speculate about his performances because, he didn't really do much in a lot of the episodes. Chakotay was just there, where Riker for example was more actively part of what was going on.

Hard to judge the man for me at least.. I'd need to see more actual acting from him as Chakotay and since that won't happen..

Meh!

Very true. I don't really know how much was his acting and how much was the poor writing and crappy (if any) research done on Native American culture. Voyager is my fave, but I am willing to admit it's weaknesses- all Trek series have them, but being Native myself from a traditional family, it enraged me every time he did some kind of "Native" ceremony, etc. Every time he said "Akoocheemooya", I wanted him blown out of the nearest airlock.

 

[Anwar]

The whole "Native American" thing was a botched job from the start. His ethnicity shouldn't have been such an important thing. I mean, Picard being French hardly ever mattered. Neither did Sisko apparently being from Louisiana play into his character.

Then again, the bigger mistake was making him a principled Former Fleeter (who wasn't even a traitor). It didn't set him apart from Janeway enough.

 

[The Dominion]

Voyager was way to obvious with a lot of things in the characters. It also put too much emphasis on B'Elanna being an angry Klingon, and Janeway being a woman. The writers were not masters of subtlety.

 

[exodus]

Mulgrew had to be in an episode where she got turned into a lizard and had lizard babies with Paris, she didn't stop caring.

ROTFL!!

That single episode could be pointed to as "what was wrong with Voyager".

As for Beltran's acting, meh. I admit I found him very attractive back when the series was on the air. Recent photos of him, he's still not an unattractive man, though I'm not too keen on the longer hair.. *shrugs.. just a personal thing. I think he looked better with his hair trimmed shorter.

I can't really speculate about his performances because, he didn't really do much in a lot of the episodes. Chakotay was just there, where Riker for example was more actively part of what was going on.

Hard to judge the man for me at least.. I'd need to see more actual acting from him as Chakotay and since that won't happen..

Meh!

Sometimes this is why the fans shouldn't know what happens behind the scenes of shows. It causes many to feel they need to take a side and form judgements on people we've never met. If Beltran worked in Wal-Mart and was protesting how he was being treated by his bosses there, would we still care? I don't think we should expect the actors to adore Trek as much as we do and judge them as unprofessional if they don't.

 

[exodus]

Voyager was way to obvious with a lot of things in the characters. It also put too much emphasis on B'Elanna being an angry Klingon,

..but we find out later that B'Elanna isn't angry due to her Klingon emotions. She was angry because she had to suffer racism as a young girl and blames her mother and herself for making her father leave. She hates being Klingon because she associate it with guilt. That was never obvious but something that fleshed out in her over time.

How could you not make it obvious Janeway was a woman?
I'm not sure I understand the compliant there.

 

[Misco]

The whole "Native American" thing was a botched job from the start.

This.

I just find the "Native American" stuff so offensive; and the writers so obviously don't realise how racist and condescending they're being, especially in the early episodes. How anyone is supposed to act that crap with a straight face I don't know.

As far as Beltran's acting goes, I've seen worse, but that's no compliment. Apart from the weird over the top crying scene in 'Coda' the guy never does anything even remotely notable acting wise. I think if we want to get on his back for being bad at his job, that's fine, but it should be for almost boring us to death rather than being awful. After all, really bad acting is generally pretty funny. And Chuckles, ironically, never made me laugh.

Suffice to say, I have no love for Chakotay or Beltran but the problems on screen can't be entirely the actor's fault. He had little to nothing to work with for most of the time, regardless of his acting abilities.

Did Beltran get worse in the later seasons? Maybe, a bit. But IMHO there was so little quality on show to begin with that the change was barely noticeable.

 

[spot_loves_data]

Voyager was way to obvious with a lot of things in the characters. It also put too much emphasis on B'Elanna being an angry Klingon,

..but we find out later that B'Elanna isn't angry due to her Klingon emotions. She was angry because she had to suffer racism as a young girl and blames her mother and herself for making her father leave. She hates being Klingon because she associate it with guilt...

The original agrument still stands - she was an angry Klingon, whatever the reasons might have been. I found the over empasis of that one trait tiresome, especially since her character had so many other things going on. I liked that she was angry, I just didn't need the writers to beat me over the head with it.

As for why she's angry, I think Faces showed us that biology did play a part. There's a hell of a lot Torres associates with being Klingon, her fights with her dad were just one part of that.

 

[exodus]

Voyager was way to obvious with a lot of things in the characters. It also put too much emphasis on B'Elanna being an angry Klingon,

..but we find out later that B'Elanna isn't angry due to her Klingon emotions. She was angry because she had to suffer racism as a young girl and blames her mother and herself for making her father leave. She hates being Klingon because she associate it with guilt...

The original agrument still stands - she was an angry Klingon, whatever the reasons might have been. I found the over empasis of that one trait tiresome, especially since her character had so many other things going on. I liked that she was angry, I just didn't need the writers to beat me over the head with it.

As for why she's angry, I think Faces showed us that biology did play a part. There's a hell of a lot Torres associates with being Klingon, her fights with her dad were just one part of that.

I'm sorry you feel that way.
Being a minority myself, I grew up and experienced many of the same issues the character did,. Klingon too me was just another way of saying Black, Asian, Latino... So too me, the reasons behind why she is angry rather than just being a Klingon stereotype matter and I identify with it. I understand how it's a burden that doesn't end and I also understand how it give her strength and ambition. If the lasting emotional effects of my experienced are tiresome for you, then we should end our conversation here.

 

[spot_loves_data]

The original agrument still stands - she was an angry Klingon, whatever the reasons might have been. I found the over empasis of that one trait tiresome, especially since her character had so many other things going on. I liked that she was angry, I just didn't need the writers to beat me over the head with it.

As for why she's angry, I think Faces showed us that biology did play a part. There's a hell of a lot Torres associates with being Klingon, her fights with her dad were just one part of that.

I'm sorry you feel that way.
Being a minority myself, I grew up and experienced many of the same issues the character did,. Klingon too me was just another way of saying Black, Asian, Latino... So too me, the reasons behind why she is angry rather than just being a Klingon stereotype matter and I identify with it. I understand how it's a burden that doesn't end and I also understand how it give her strength and ambition. If the lasting emotional effects of my experienced are tiresome for you, then we should end our conversation here.

I think you took my post way too personally. I get that Torres was used to talk about racial issues (some of the time), and I'm not exactly white myself so your implication of racial insensitivity is off base.

Klingons are hot-tempered warriors, that's clearly cannon and Torres was written as a Klingon with a human twist. I remember one episode where she and Tuvok were discussing her inborn tendency to anger. The Klingon half of Torres in Faces seemed furious by default. And I know there were many other times when Torres complained or commented on her Klingon temper, though I can't remember exactly what episodes. Part of her anger was genetic, but I don't think that takes away from the character.

 

[Killandra]

Voyager was way to obvious with a lot of things in the characters. It also put too much emphasis on B'Elanna being an angry Klingon, and Janeway being a woman. The writers were not masters of subtlety.

You're right, it could have been better, but then in some ways, if they were to water it down and make things more subtle, someone would complain about that too, lol.