Anybody ever been to a ''BIBLE'' camp?

[ShamelessMcBundy]

So long as i got my bottle of blood wine, vintage 2309, i'll be happy.

There is no finer vintage!

 

[Da'an]

What was wrong with the camp in the documentary? Granted the pastor's preaching style was grating, but that's all I can think of besides what I already mentioned.

Surely you can see how unethical such forceful indoctrination is, can't you?

Whatever happened to letting the faithful find their own path?

 

[Amaris]

What was wrong with the camp in the documentary? Granted the pastor's preaching style was grating, but that's all I can think of besides what I already mentioned.

Surely you can see how unethical such forceful indoctrination is, can't you?

Whatever happened to letting the faithful find their own path?

That would be why mainstream Christianity is called "Organized Religion". There is a hierarchy to it. If you want "find your own path" Christianity, you head toward my neck of the woods.

Now, onto the word "unethical" you chose to describe such camps. I disagree. While the camp I visited when I was younger was most certainly unethical and immoral, the ones Michael and Hoser (among others) mentioned earlier, are just places for kids to play. They learn some things, Bible stories, and just have fun. Will a Bible camp indoctrinate a child? No more than any other summer camp. As I've been trying to say this whole time is that most Bible camps are completely innocent places for kids to play and have a fun summer while parents get a bit of a break. 9 times out of 10 they are harmless and usually do the kids a little good in the process. We, those who mention and experience the bad camps, are the exception to the rule.


J.

 

[Michael Chris]

^J, I like you as a person, but on this you are completely wrong. There is only one way to God. Through His Son. It is a narrow path, and it is not one's own path. It is the path laid out by God. Yes, there are trappings of religion which do not matter, but the core beliefs do.

Surely you can see how unethical such forceful indoctrination is, can't you?

Of course. That said, I didn't see any evidence of that. I saw convicted hearts and children trying to make their road brighter and clearer with the light of Christ.

Whatever happened to letting the faithful find their own path?

If a man cannot find his footing in the dark should a person who has a flashlight ignore him and let him stumble? If a light is shone on the path the man can see it, but he still has the choice of whether to follow it.

 

[Amaris]

^J, I like you as a person, but on this you are completely wrong. There is only one way to God. Through His Son. It is a narrow path, and it is not one's own path. It is the path laid out by God. Yes, there are trappings of religion which do not matter, but the core beliefs do.

Hey, that's fine. I wouldn't force you to believe as I do, and I know you wouldn't force me to believe as you do. While we do have major differences, we also have some common goals. So I'm cool with that.


J.

 

[pookha]

What was wrong with the camp in the documentary? Granted the pastor's preaching style was grating, but that's all I can think of besides what I already mentioned.

Surely you can see how unethical such forceful indoctrination is, can't you?

Whatever happened to letting the faithful find their own path?

actually some of the most forceful stuff often drives kids away as they grow older.

what i sometimes went to wasnt camp but rather vacation bible school which was a day time thing that lasted about a week.
being raised catholic and having religious study ever weekday i was sorta of a ringer for my friends when i went to their (baptist, church of christ ect) bible school i sorta did very very well.

 

[pookha]

Was sent to some Christian youth camps as a kid. Mostly just a day of fun stuff followed by an hour or two of "study" and then a campfire.

Mainly just an excuse to get rid of the kids, my parents aren't even Christians and neither am I anymore

Yep. I went to one as a kid and mine was exactly like this.

Same here but y'all are forgetting the macaroni "sculptures" and the plaster hand prints. Also the weak kool aid and/or lemonade, baloney sandwiches, primitive rest facilities, and worn out army-barracks style bunk beds.

One thing I find odd about the one I attended was that it was on the banks of a fast moving deep river with no fence. Perfect location for a couple hundred 6-12yo's, lol. I guess times were different then.

What is this "river" thing you speak of?

ah he explains it..

One thing I find odd about the one I attended was that it was on the banks of a fast moving deep river with no fence. Perfect location for a couple hundred 6-12yo's, lol. I guess times were different then.

i think just guessing the point was the camp may have been concerned about their souls but having camp next to a fast moving river (it wouldnt matter if it wasnt that deep.. it dosnt take very much fast moving water to knock one off their feet) without of fence wasnt exactly the save thing for their mortal bodies.

 

[Da'an]

What was wrong with the camp in the documentary? Granted the pastor's preaching style was grating, but that's all I can think of besides what I already mentioned.

Surely you can see how unethical such forceful indoctrination is, can't you?

Whatever happened to letting the faithful find their own path?

Now, onto the word "unethical" you chose to describe such camps.

Sorry for the misunderstanding, but I was referring specifically to the camp in the documentary, with its rather... aggressive approach to spreading the word, as opposed to Bible camps in general.

^J, I like you as a person, but on this you are completely wrong. There is only one way to God. Through His Son. It is a narrow path, and it is not one's own path. It is the path laid out by God. Yes, there are trappings of religion which do not matter, but the core beliefs do.

Also, even if you accept that the "only" path to God is through Jesus, that doesn't mean you can't tread that path in your own footsteps.

 

[Amaris]

Surely you can see how unethical such forceful indoctrination is, can't you?

Whatever happened to letting the faithful find their own path?

Now, onto the word "unethical" you chose to describe such camps.

Sorry for the misunderstanding, but I was referring specifically to the camp in the documentary, with its rather... aggressive approach to spreading the word, as opposed to Bible camps in general.

Ah, well no harm done.


J.

 

[Michael Chris]

Also, even if you accept that the "only" path to God is through Jesus, that doesn't mean you can't tread that path in your own footsteps.

Yes everyone has to walk the path, but at the same time the path itself is the same.

i think just guessing the point was the camp may have been concerned about their souls but having camp next to a fast moving river (it wouldnt matter if it wasnt that deep.. it dosnt take very much fast moving water to knock one off their feet) without of fence wasnt exactly the save thing for their mortal bodies.

I was actually just kidding since I haven't seen a large river in many years!

 

[Shazam!]

This is why religion should never be allowed to influence matters of the spirit.

I don't think religion should be allowed to influence anything.

 

[darthraidr]

^J, I like you as a person, but on this you are completely wrong. There is only one way to God. Through His Son. It is a narrow path, and it is not one's own path. It is the path laid out by God. Yes, there are trappings of religion which do not matter, but the core beliefs do.

i believe this to an extent... i used to ponder this all the time... One way to God, through Jesus. but then i'd start thinking of examples where that could be unfair...

what about people that never heard of Jesus, not because they chose not to learn, but because they were on the other side of the globe during the formation of early Christianity? but then what about the Native Americans who were treated "poorly" by missionaries? or anyone who is treated "poorly" by those trying to spread the Word?

"The Last Battle" by C.S. Lewis had an interesting take on it. It's one i would like to think is right... but in the end i decided two things. first, God has a plan for all, for those who have been wronged, and for those who have wronged. the plan is well beyond my understanding. and i dont really need to know beyond the need to satisfy curiosity. the second, i do know of a sure way to God, through Jesus. i will try my best to stay on the path. i will try my best to get others on the path. i will try my best to make sure i don't knock anyone off the path.

for the most part it is easy. it's Love. well, it's easy when things are going my way, or if people agree with me. it's hard when it's with people or situations or practices i disagree with. But then i look to the examples of Jesus and see that it was always Love that he practised and preached.

so if i love my neighbors, and i love my enemies, good for me. that is the way that I know. i do not presume to know the way for others... i know where their goal should be, but i won't presume to force them down a path that may not work for them. i will try to be an example knowing that God has a plan, and it is on God's time.

God's plan and His time for that plan are hard to grasp, but i accept that it is not something for me to grasp. i don't presume to know God's will nor do i know His plans. but i do know that God loves us.

 

[pookha]

Also, even if you accept that the "only" path to God is through Jesus, that doesn't mean you can't tread that path in your own footsteps.

Yes everyone has to walk the path, but at the same time the path itself is the same.

i think just guessing the point was the camp may have been concerned about their souls but having camp next to a fast moving river (it wouldnt matter if it wasnt that deep.. it dosnt take very much fast moving water to knock one off their feet) without of fence wasnt exactly the save thing for their mortal bodies.

I was actually just kidding since I haven't seen a large river in many years!

ah sorry.

i sorta wondered but one never knows around here.