Any reason why Neelix couldn't of come along to Earth?
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What would he do when he got there?
He didn't have many useful skills that would help him in the AQ.
In all his years on Voyager, besides Kes who was also DQ native, he never found anyone else to be with. Why come all the way to Earth, a strange place to him, just to live alone?
Everybody else had family waiting there, Neelix had nothing.
He didn't have many useful skills that would help him in the AQ.
In all his years on Voyager, besides Kes who was also DQ native, he never found anyone else to be with. Why come all the way to Earth, a strange place to him, just to live alone?
Everybody else had family waiting there, Neelix had nothing.
I think it would be more along the lines of his offensive cooking re-igniting some war. He could have fitted in nicely with the Klingons though.
Yet according to his bride, he was a good cook.
So either Talaxians have bad taste or his cooking is only liked by his people.
All unknown places are strange until you get used to them.
People do move to other countries all the time.
I'm sure he would of found a way to fit in.
Other countries still contain the same species(Human) or others that might be of the same race.
Neelix will find neither on Earth.
That's why his comment in "Homestead": "This might be the last time I see another Talaxian" had such an impact, even Tom Paris noticed. He'd been alone most of his life, he didn't want to try an "fit in" with strangers all over again.
Wasn't this kind of discussed in some of the episodes?
I think his plan was originally to come to earth.
!!SPOILERS!! Although I guess this whole post kind of is
But, he found more talaxians. Right at the end, and as I recall it took some doing to convince himself to stay. Correct me if I am wrong with any of this.
Or it could be his bad cooking, as was mentioned. lol.
I think his plan was originally to come to earth.
!!SPOILERS!! Although I guess this whole post kind of is
But, he found more talaxians. Right at the end, and as I recall it took some doing to convince himself to stay. Correct me if I am wrong with any of this.
Or it could be his bad cooking, as was mentioned. lol.
Guess i'm just remembering the early episodes were he seemed exited about heading to earth.
There was even one where he fantasied about meeting a bunch of Admirals.
And I would think the crew of Voyager would still keep in touch with him.
Guess i'd be the kind of guy that wouldn't be bothered by it if I we're in his place.
The Midus Array from "Pathfinder" allowed two-way contact with the Delta Quaderant, so Neelix could still keep in touch if he wanted.
Guess i'm just remembering the early episodes were he seemed exited about heading to earth.
There was even one where he fantasied about meeting a bunch of Admirals.
And I would think the crew of Voyager would still keep in touch with him.
Guess i'd be the kind of guy that wouldn't be bothered by it if I we're in his place.
His dream of meeting Admirals was just that, A dream planeted by the ship eating creature in "Bliss".
If you check out the ep. again when he tells Seven of Nine about his dream of meeting the Admirals & them appointing him Ambassior, she looks at him like he's crazy because even she knows that's over the top for a man with his lack of skills.
Could it be that the entire race as a whole lacks the tastebuds that let you know what your eating tastes foul? They have poor taste in clothes so why not poor tasting ability too.
Yet according to his bride, he was a good cook.
So either Talaxians have bad taste or his cooking is only liked by his people.
I've always found it hard to believe they got that far away from their home planet to begin with.
As far as him having marketable skills,I don't think that's true. The Federation would be wide open with possibilities. Kindred beings aside, he's survived the loss of his family-which, admittedly, would see him wanting to create the one he did not with Kes-and managed on his own wits and resources a long while. There are all manner of civilian jobs-working on a freighter, or in the mining industry, which he'd dabbled in before...he could pilot such a ship, become involved in cutting deals for private companies, negotiating terms...he was used to wheeling and dealing. Maybe he was a bit old to enter Starfleet, but, technically, he'd have been able to swing it, assuming that'd have been something to follow up on, beyond the studies he did while on the ship here and there. But, looking at it strictly as a fan, I would liked to have seen him be there with the others, as I wished with Kes. They came with them, with the full intent of seeing the journey all the way...and never did. That's unfortunate, IMO.
The question isn't "Why didn't he continue on to Earth?". It's "Why was he allowed on the ship in the first place?".
I didn't have a problem with them being that far away from Talax, even though it's close to 50,000 light-years. That is, until it was explicitly stated that they left Talax AFTER the Talaxian-Haakonian War. That means they managed to cover 50,000 light-years, and firmly establish a community after they arrived, in twenty-two years.
How? If they were a generational community, like the Klingons in "Prophecy," I could have bought it. But not like this!
The only reason Voyager got that far that fast was because they got thrown 9,500 light-years through Borg space by Kes, used a Quantum Slipstream Drive to cover 300 light-years, used a wormhole to cover another 2,500 light-years, used a stolen Borg Transwarp Coil to cover another 20,000 light-years, used Vaadwaur Underspace Corridors to cover another 200 light-years, and used a newly-built graviton catapult to cross thirty sectors of space.
I doubt these Talaxians would have had access to such shortcuts.
Of course, on top of all that, how did they manage to pass by the Borg?!
I didn't have a problem with them being that far away from Talax, even though it's close to 50,000 light-years. That is, until it was explicitly stated that they left Talax AFTER the Talaxian-Haakonian War. That means they managed to cover 50,000 light-years, and firmly establish a community after they arrived, in twenty-two years.
How? If they were a generational community, like the Klingons in "Prophecy," I could have bought it. But not like this!The only reason Voyager got that far that fast was because they got thrown 9,500 light-years through Borg space by Kes, used a Quantum Slipstream Drive to cover 300 light-years, used a wormhole to cover another 2,500 light-years, used a stolen Borg Transwarp Coil to cover another 20,000 light-years, used Vaadwaur Underspace Corridors to cover another 200 light-years, and used a newly-built graviton catapult to cross thirty sectors of space.
I doubt these Talaxians would have had access to such shortcuts.
Of course, on top of all that, how did they manage to pass by the Borg?!
Everybody gets past the Borg: the Borg are secretive, mysterious and unconcerned about the matters of mortals. Janeway just didn't realize this when playing around with her precious "Northwest Passage".
To be sure, the Haakonian war was a good rationale for the Talaxian diaspora - and for Neelix' disinterest in returning home, or to anything like home. And the timing isn't set in stone. All the Talaxians on "Homestead" ever say is that they left because Haakonians don't treat Talaxians well. That could have been true for centuries before the actual war and conquest of Talaxia; the conquest could merely have been the logical conclusion of the ongoing Haakonian mistreatment.
All we know is that the Talaxian colony wasn't generational: the current generation had originally lived on Talax. But we don't know the lifespan of an average Talaxian. Perhaps the colony had left Talax fifty years prior, not twenty-two?
I can see why life in diaspora wouldn't really entice Neelix to settle with his kind at first, and why he might find it tempting to travel alongside Janeway for a while. "Homestead" even explores some of these reasons. But I don't see why he would ever wish to go to Earth. I can see why he would claim he wished to go, of course - what else would he be saying to the people he traveled with? But Earth would really just be another distant hellhole for him, another place away from the real home. And maximally far away at that! A good idea originally, perhaps, but the Haakonian occupation might pass, and the desire to return home might get stronger...
Timo Saloniemi
To be sure, the Haakonian war was a good rationale for the Talaxian diaspora - and for Neelix' disinterest in returning home, or to anything like home. And the timing isn't set in stone. All the Talaxians on "Homestead" ever say is that they left because Haakonians don't treat Talaxians well. That could have been true for centuries before the actual war and conquest of Talaxia; the conquest could merely have been the logical conclusion of the ongoing Haakonian mistreatment.
All we know is that the Talaxian colony wasn't generational: the current generation had originally lived on Talax. But we don't know the lifespan of an average Talaxian. Perhaps the colony had left Talax fifty years prior, not twenty-two?
I can see why life in diaspora wouldn't really entice Neelix to settle with his kind at first, and why he might find it tempting to travel alongside Janeway for a while. "Homestead" even explores some of these reasons. But I don't see why he would ever wish to go to Earth. I can see why he would claim he wished to go, of course - what else would he be saying to the people he traveled with? But Earth would really just be another distant hellhole for him, another place away from the real home. And maximally far away at that! A good idea originally, perhaps, but the Haakonian occupation might pass, and the desire to return home might get stronger...
Timo Saloniemi
There is no reason why he couldn't. He would have been welcome on Earth and he'd learned enough about 24th century culture to fit in.
He just didn't want to in the end, he preferred to stay with his people. In the end, he had a much better "ending" than anyone else in the crew did.
(Well, save for that game of Kadis-kot with Seven he never managed to finish...)
The Talaxians have low warp signature, so the Borg wouldn't even notice them. The Talaxians wouldn't need to upgrade their Tech. until after crossing Borg space.The question isn't "Why didn't he continue on to Earth?". It's "Why was he allowed on the ship in the first place?".
I didn't have a problem with them being that far away from Talax, even though it's close to 50,000 light-years. That is, until it was explicitly stated that they left Talax AFTER the Talaxian-Haakonian War. That means they managed to cover 50,000 light-years, and firmly establish a community after they arrived, in twenty-two years.
The only reason Voyager got that far that fast was because they got thrown 9,500 light-years through Borg space by Kes, used a Quantum Slipstream Drive to cover 300 light-years, used a wormhole to cover another 2,500 light-years, used a stolen Borg Transwarp Coil to cover another 20,000 light-years, used Vaadwaur Underspace Corridors to cover another 200 light-years, and used a newly-built graviton catapult to cross thirty sectors of space.
I doubt these Talaxians would have had access to such shortcuts.
Of course, on top of all that, how did they manage to pass by the Borg?!
However, if you remember Seven did tell Neelix, the Borg assimilated part of a Talaxian convoy and found Talaxians have a stronger skeletal structure. So was that convoy, the same Talaxians that had built the colony? It's possable.
I also assumed the journey took more than 22 years. Dexa, the female Talaxian, was telling the story of their journey and she's said was a little girl when they left Telax. She grew up, got married, had a child & laid to rest her husband.
I assumed she was nearly 30 and her son at least 8(?). So the I figured the trip was longer.
Still, I think the big hint is the colony itself. The Talaxians have to be superior Engineers to take apart their ships & convert them into a home and mining colony within an asteroid. That's no small feet and not an easy one for someone without excellent skills. If the Talaxians can do all that, then it's isn't hard to believe they could have upgraded their warp engines as well to get to where they are faster. As I said, they already proved themselves to be superior engineers. Talaxians are also skillful traders as shown by Neelix and his friend Wix. So with a combo of good engineering & trade negotiatons, it becomes a little more likely theses folks could make that journey.
Also keep in mind Voyager wasn't making a B-Line to the Alpha Q., most of the time they were stopping to explore the Delta Quaderant, thus making their trip longer. For example: how many days did the y spend on the Vadwaar planet freeing and negotiating with them? How many days spent on the Demon planet? How many weeks held captive by the Hirogen?
What I thought might have made a better ending to the series (slightly) was save this till the end and have the Talaxians controlling a transwarp hub after all the unimatrix zero stuff. this is how they got there and managed to set up a base. Voyager must help them hold off the attacks and help them build defences before using it themselves to get home.
....but what would have stopped the Talaxians themselves from being assimilated?
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