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I have a couple of questions you might be able to help me with.

When Lincoln was putting together his cabinet, there was a lot of grief between Salmon Chase and William Seward. Does anyone know why one supposedly couldn't work with the other?

I've read in several places that Lincoln put many of his political rivals in his cabinet so he could keep an eye on them. Is it written anywhere that he actually said this?

Thanks a lot for any help.
 
Lincoln had no particular problems working with Chase at the beginning of his first term. Chase, unlike Cameron at the War Department, was energetic and competent as could be expected in such an unprecedented situation. And, unlike Seward at the State Department, Chase had no expectations of being the power behind the throne nor did he try to act on his own in "negotiations" with the various states.

What did happen was that Chase, who was a harder Abolitionist than Lincoln, was more popular with party leaders and citizens who favored much more movement towards abolition, plus other complaints, particularly as to competency. Chase tried to organize a campaign for the Republican nomination for the wartime election. Lincoln got wind of it and timed a demand for public support for the administration by the entire cabinet. Chase, who essentially agreed with all other policies, was then forced by principle to undercut the supposed ground of his own candidacy. Lincoln later got rid of Chase in the second term but moved him into the Supreme Court. (Where Chase ultimately ruled that the greenbacks he issued as Treasury Secretary were unconsitutional.:lol:)

Lincoln had a serious personal problem however with Chase's daughter, who was married to a Senator Sprague. She apparently had the temerity to lecture him. As I recall he called her "quite a politician," which was not complimentary.

As to whether Lincoln deliberately picked political rivals to "keep an eye on them," there was probably a relative dearth of experienced Republican leaders. The ones who came from other parties originally had support outside the fledgling party. Which would mean it would have been useful to gain that support by offering prestigious jobs to the leaders. Lincoln was an honest politician who would rather jump out a window than tell a lie, but he missed very few tricks as a politician. I'm sure the possible political benefits were also a consideration.

Seward had a mystifying reputation as a firebrand Abolitionist, which his presidential campaing and later events showed. Chase was a longterm member of the Liberty Party, a minor third party dedicated to abolition. Later he was a founder of the Free Soil party, along with Van Buren democrats in New York. In addition to that political disagreement, Seward was a New York leader of the Whig party, closely associated with Thurlow Weed, a figure widely regarded as a machine politician of dubious integrity. Chase was a devout evangelical Christian while Seward was a worldly man who put state funds into Catholic parochial schools in New York. Seward seemed to do nothing but talk while Chase's work in financing the war was unsung but vital for victory. Plus, Seward was the man who got the prestige and was regarded as Presidential while Chase was not, though Chase wanted to be. It would have been surprising if these two had gotten along.
 
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When Lincoln was putting together his cabinet, there was a lot of grief between Salmon Chase and William Seward. Does anyone know why one supposedly couldn't work with the other?

Your second question basically answers your first. They were political rivals who both thought they could be better Presidents than Lincoln and were supremely ambitious, ideologically divided on many issues, represented different factions in the party, and were always on the lookout for the other playing favors, like Chase's observation of Seward's growing friendship with Lincoln while in office.

That being said, while many had distrust or dislike of the others, I think it was more Blair and Stanton who completely refused to work together. They would not speak or even look at each other during Cabinet meetings. Chase and Seward were rivals but at least worked together and came to respect one another somewhat, even after the bitter 1862 Cabinet Crisis.

Nevertheless, Maunsell B. Field, assistant secretary of the Treasury, spoke favorably of the relationships among cabinet members he witnessed between 1863 and 1865. "Mr. Chase spoke to me in extremely kind terms of the Secretary of State, saying that, since they had been associated together as members of Mr. Lincoln's Cabinet, he had learned to esteem and respect him much more than he had done in former years in the Senate. I soon after had an occasion to repeat these remarks to Mr. Seward, to whom the recital seemed to afford much gratification. He referred, in turn, to Mr. Chase's handsome conduct in resigning his seat in the Cabinet immediately after he had himself temporarily withdrawn from it under pressure from the Senate, and the embarrassment from which this considerate action of his colleague had relieved both the President and himself."

http://www.mrlincolnswhitehouse.org/content_inside.asp?ID=9

I've read in several places that Lincoln put many of his political rivals in his cabinet so he could keep an eye on them. Is it written anywhere that he actually said this?
It was a combination of several factors, that being one of them, but I think Lincoln was magnanimous and politically savvy enough to keep that to himself.

Seward and Chase were the most prominent and outspoken Republicans other than (and even more so than) Lincoln at the time of the 1860 Republican national convention, and each represented different factions amongst the party that Lincoln had to maintain a balancing act between. Part of the negotiations that secured Lincoln the final nomination over Seward and Chase included promises to offer them positions in his Cabinet.

Also, Lincoln genuinely believed in assembling the best men for the job from all backgrounds of the party, and was not prone to holding grudges against those who had insulted him or considered themselves his betters, as both Seward and Chase initially did.

But noted Seward in a letter to his wife: “The President is determined that he will have a compound Cabinet; and that it shall be peaceful, and even permanent. I was at one time on the point of refusing – nay, I did refuse, for a time to hazard myself in the experiment. But a distracted country appeared before me; and I withdrew from that position.”. Indeed, President Lincoln recalled composing his Cabinet on the day after the election — “before the sun went down, I had made up my Cabinet. It was almost the same as I finally selected.”

http://www.abrahamlincolnsclassroom.org/Library/newsletter.asp?ID=15&CRLI=92

When a journalist asked Lincoln why he’d selected men for the cabinet who were rivals to himself and in some cases opponents of each other, he replied “We needed the strongest men of the party in the Cabinet … I had looked the party over and concluded that these were the very strongest men. Then I had no right to deprive the country of their services.”

http://www.vareview.com/linden/collection.asp?date=JA06


BTW, did you read Doris Kearns Goodwin's Team of Rivals? Is that what prompted the question? If not, I highly recommend it.
 
I have a couple of questions you might be able to help me with.

When Lincoln was putting together his cabinet,

Thanks a lot for any help.


he needed the wood for stakes to kill vampires..so he never finished his cabinet
 
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