Spoilers Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania grade and discussion thread
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That's kind of the point of the Kang Dynasty story though. What the MCU could have done that would have been different is tell an entire movie focused on Kang with the heroes, if any, being minor characters.
Infinity War is basically Thanos's movie, though. I don't think that would feel that different. And in the context of a shared universe, I don't think you really can do a villain movie with any less involvement from the heroes than Infinity War, unless the villain is more of anti-hero which does not describe Kang.
I don't disagree. But it's fairly impossible not to see the trailer. Even if I don't go out of my way to watch the trailer it will pop up on social media, advertisements on the internet, TV, Billboards, trains etc.
I suspect that this is the story that the MCU wanted to tell, especially in regard to the Multiverse. I'm not familiar with the comic book tale, but what exactly were the variants' goal?
If I recall correctly, it was Kang's goal to knock off the other variants so there was only one Kang. I can't remember the details though--and this concept was mentioned in Loki IIRC.
Well, in the comics Kang doesn't really have a defined goal. He's a mad scientist with time travel capabilities who took over his own timeline and then decided to see what he could do in other timelines as well. But the MCU has done well with taking 1-D villains and making them deeper like with Thanos, so lets see how this goes.
After seeing Jonathan Majors' appearance on Colbert the other night, I realized there's one thing from the film we haven't discussed here:
Do we think Kang was being truthful about some great big threat in the far future or was it just something to goad Scott about? I probably would've thought the latter until Scott had his anxiety attack about it at the end of the film. Maybe that was played for laughs but what if there was something to it? And if so, what or who would that threat be? Galactus feels like small potatoes in comparison to the existence of Kang and my knowledge of the greater cosmic realms of Marvel is limited.
Do we think Kang was being truthful about some great big threat in the far future or was it just something to goad Scott about? I probably would've thought the latter until Scott had his anxiety attack about it at the end of the film. Maybe that was played for laughs but what if there was something to it? And if so, what or who would that threat be? Galactus feels like small potatoes in comparison to the existence of Kang and my knowledge of the greater cosmic realms of Marvel is limited.
Since both in this movie and in multiverse of madness, they referenced ‘incursions’, it is quite possible that they are doing a version of that storyline from Hickman’s Avengers run.
Can you elaborate? I haven't read comics regular in nearly 30 years and everything I know since then I've picked up because of the MCU or related content that encouraged me to read up on specific storylines well after the fact.
That... is not an easy question to answer. Perhaps this will help.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nerdis...ics-doctor-strange-multiverse-of-madness/?amp
This was quite a long story with a lot of elements, but a few of the big bits
Universes begin to collide, resulting in ‘incursions’, the point at which the two universes meet. If an incursion plays out, both universes are destroyed. The illuminati (Reed Richards, Black Panther, Iron Man, Doctor Strange, Captain America and Namor) try to prevent the incursions when they happen and figure out what is causing them and how to put an end to them. This leads to a split in the avengers about how they are to deal with the incursions.
Later we find out that these are due to a conflict between the Beyonders and the Celestials.
Doom also plays a large part in the story.
Later we find out that these are due to a conflict between the Beyonders and the Celestials.
Doom also plays a large part in the story.
There is a lot more to it, but those are some of the elements which they might draw on.
Fair enough. Thank you, both of you. I'll take a look at the link tomorrow.
So regarding the ending…so now according to people who went to test screenings, the ending we got was drastically different from what was originally there a month before release.
https://gamerant.com/antman-and-the-wasp-quantumania-ending-changed-last-minute/
That yes, it was supposed to end with Scott and Hope getting trapped in the Quantum Realm.
And the speculated reasons for changing it being:
-Test audiences thought this ending was too depressing and thus the switch to a happier ending.
-It being felt that this ending was too similar to Ant-Man and the Wasp’s ending of Scott being trapped in the Quantum Realm and not wanting to do that again.
That yes, it was supposed to end with Scott and Hope getting trapped in the Quantum Realm.
And the speculated reasons for changing it being:
-Test audiences thought this ending was too depressing and thus the switch to a happier ending.
-It being felt that this ending was too similar to Ant-Man and the Wasp’s ending of Scott being trapped in the Quantum Realm and not wanting to do that again.
Bah. Stupid test audiences. 
I'm sort of with them.
Someone being trapped in the Quantum Realm doesn't need to happen 3 movies in a row.
Someone being trapped in the Quantum Realm doesn't need to happen 3 movies in a row.
I agree with this--I actually think that what was needed was more added to the end of the movie. I minute or two of Cassie, Janet and Hank thinking/brainstorming/coming up with a cool idea to reconnect with Scott and Hope.