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Spoilers Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania grade and discussion thread

How do you rate Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania?

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Anwar said:
Apparently a suspicion I had was right: Originally the ending WAS going to be Scott and Hope trapping themselves in the Quantum Realm to fight and defeat Kang, and Cassie wasn't immediately going to be able to rescue them. It would've been Cassie vowing she WILL send more probes to find them and someday it will happen...but unfortunately it's not that day.

Apparently it was too much of a downer for the test audience.
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That's too bad, that would have really upped the movie grade for me, and would have been a good ending in my opinion.

thribs said:
Only issue I have with that is that they’ve already had Hank stuck in the Quantum Realm before.
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But to be fair, in Avengers endgame, Scott Lang stated for him, it only been a few hours; even though 5 years had passed for the regular world.
 
Noname Given said:
But to be fair, in Avengers endgame, Scott Lang stated for him, it only been a few hours; even though 5 years had passed for the regular world.
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And that didn't happen to our heroes this time, because ...

... I mean, seriously, for Janet 20 years are more or less 20 years, for Scott a few hours are 5 years, now in this movie a day or two are a few hours. Are there seriously no rules for this?

But that, I could kind of accept as wibbley-wobbley timey-wimey. What is really puzzling to me is that in this film, Janet doesn't even want to send a signal into the Quantum Realm, but in the last movie, she helped Hank and Hope to send Scott into the Quantum Realm. WTF?!
 
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Kai "the spy" said:
And that didn't happen to our heroes this time, because ...

... I mean, seriously, for Janet 20 years are more or less 20 years, for Scott a few hours are 5 years, now in this movie a day or two are a few hours. Are there seriously no rules for this?

But that, I could kind of accept as wibbley-wobbley timey-wimey. What is really puzzling to me is that in this film, Janet doesn't even want to send a signal into the Quantum Realm, but in the last movie, she helped Hank and Hope to send Scott into the Quantum Realm. WTF?!
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Janet said that there are time vortexes in the Quantum Realm and things get weird near them so you avoid them. When Scott was trapped, he fell into one/near one and that's why time went strange for him.

As for sending Scott in, the area that Kang was in was stated to be a deeper unknown area Hank didn't know about (but Janet did) and she made sure that Scott wouldn't be anywhere near Kang. But Cassie's Probes were going all over the Quantum Zone including the area Janet was trying to hide from them.
 
The inconsistency is exactly what they said in Endgame.

Their time travel system always depended on finding a way to navigate through the Quantum Realm in such a way that you could guarantee 'when' you would come back out, which by definition means that different parts of the Quantum Realm always had to stand apart from each other in terms of how time passes.
 
Saw it today and it definitely wasn't bad. There's worse in the MCU and I found it far better than Love & Thunder (it didn't actively anger me!) and probably stuff like Black Widow and Multiverse of Madness.

It is a bit lacking in substance though. Scott's arc is basically deciding to help the people of the Quantum Realm (which could never be in doubt) and declaring he'll do anything for his daughter. There's not much there for him at all but Paul Rudd is charming and fun as always. Hope got NOTHING though. Evangeline Lilly must have had twenty lines in the whole movie? And I doubt it was punishment for her covid stance as Letitia Wright's comments were much more high profile and she got away with it fine.

I enjoyed the weird characters of the quantum realm (jelly guy!) and the flying buildings which were also alive and stuff. There were some nice visuals, but also some murky hard to make out stuff and typically average MCU action scenes. Did I ever believe the characters were in a real physical place and not standing in front of a green screen (The Volume, whatever)? No, not really! The stuff with Scott in the "probability engine" was by far the best part and actually looked good.

I liked how MODOK was USED in the movie. His crazy chainsaws and stuff were fun. I liked Corey Stoll in the first movie so it was cool they brought him back. BUT THEN he takes his vizor thing off and holy shit it looks awful. Literally like someone blew up a photo of his face on a phone app. HOW did they let that make the screen? If the delays to upcoming proects are to fix issues like this then I'm all for them.

Jonathan Majors was really good as Kang and can certainly deliver a monologue. I question if it's the right choice to have Kang defeated by Ant-Man in his cinematic debut? Like I know there's lots of other Kang variants but how scary is that when we know Ant-Man can beat them?

It's funny that they got Bill Murray for like one day of filming, had him say "mechanical orgasnim designed only for killing" then had him eaten by a baby octopus thing. At least he probably didn't have much time to be a dick to people on set.

I liked the hyper-evolved socialist super ants.

William Jackson Harper really should have been saved for a bigger part in a future MCU project because he's a great actor.
 
CaptainWacky said:
BUT THEN he takes his vizor thing off and holy shit it looks awful. Literally like someone blew up a photo of his face on a phone app. HOW did they let that make the screen? If the delays to upcoming proects are to fix issues like this then I'm all for them.
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Pretty sure that was deliberate...there's no way to do MODOK live-action without him looking goofy.
 
I always thought the video game version of MODOK was done quite well. I would have gone in that direction.
 
Skywalker said:
Test audiences are dumb. Leaving Scott and Hope stranded in the Quantum Realm would have given Cassie something to work toward as she takes over as the primary character in the Ant-Family going forward.
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This reminds me of when my mom and I did a test screening of Shrek 2. There were a couple of teenage girls behind us who were mad that Shrek didn't
stay handsome at the end, apparently not realizing that having him stay handsome at the end would completely go against the theme of the entire series.
 
On the whole, I enjoyed myself. Scott, Hope, Cassie, Hank, and Janet are a great group of heroes, the Quantum Realm is visually interesting (shout-out to broccoli head creature!), and Jonathan Majors is killing it in every scene.

MODOK can tend to look goofy, but I would have preferred just seeing Darren in the mask than seeing him look like Annoying Orange from YouTube.
 
I had no problem with Modok once I realized him looking bad really is the point of the character in this movie.

Having said that, he works great as is in the funny scenes. But they really should have done themselves a favor and kept the faceplate down for the more serious scenes.
 
I enjoyed this overall. Middle of the road MCU film and a bit of a let down after the previous two Antmen. Still wish Luis was there. I would have loved to have had a scene with him explaining the macro world to the Quantumpeople. The biggest disappointment was the ending, which felt cheaply earned--and the movie broke its own logic as time flows differently in our world than in the Quantum realm unless one is Janet Van Dyne. I also missed the scene where Kang offers Scott the chance to get back his five years with Cassie--was that not there or did I fall asleep for a moment?
 
theenglish said:
I enjoyed this overall. Middle of the road MCU film and a bit of a let down after the previous two Antmen. Still wish Luis was there. I would have loved to have had a scene with him explaining the macro world to the Quantumpeople. The biggest disappointment was the ending, which felt cheaply earned--and the movie broke its own logic as time flows differently in our world than in the Quantum realm unless one is Janet Van Dyne. I also missed the scene where Kang offers Scott the chance to get back his five years with Cassie--was that not there or did I fall asleep for a moment?
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The trailers twisted it around. Kang offered Janet the chance to get back her lost time with Hope (in a flashback to Janet's original time in the Quantum Realm).
 
Grendelsbayne said:
The trailers twisted it around. Kang offered Janet the chance to get back her lost time with Hope (in a flashback to Janet's original time in the Quantum Realm).
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Thanks for that.

The current news media narrative is that this is so bad that there should never be another Ant Man movie and, by implication, the MCU should die now. The movie was fine. Like I said earlier, middle of the road, but it doesn't deserve the vitriol its receiving.
 
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Saul said:
These trailers need to stop making a better movie.
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I don't understand why people watch trailers. I avoid them so that I'm actually surprised when something cool happens.
On top of that, Marvel just has to put the title and date of release. We'll be there. Like anyone who say Infinity War really needed a trailer to get them to go see Endgame? Waste of advertising dollars.
 
Grendelsbayne said:
I had no problem with Modok once I realized him looking bad really is the point of the character in this movie.

Having said that, he works great as is in the funny scenes. But they really should have done themselves a favor and kept the faceplate down for the more serious scenes.
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I think the comic writers have realized the same thing because Modok has become more of a joke in recent years.
 
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