Another Voyager 1st-time watch thread
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You know, that's true - we're both guilty of using lots of clips from this episode... for different reasons
J/Spock! J/Spock!
Have you not figured out I'm a bit unusual by now?It came to me after admitting to getting drunk just to enjoy "Spirit Folk".
Why would you voluntarily watch "Spirit Folk"?! That would ruin a perfectly good drunk evening!
I love you, girl
Now, I really feel like a part of things here at the Trek bbs.
Soooo, is there a clip of this televised shirtlessness somewhere?(And he technically had his shirt off in "Tattoo," although the butt was a stunt butt)
Also, this episode isn't good or anything, but I've seen it several times and it's never bothered me that much. It's just sort of there. I probably just like it for the J/C bits, including that little punch in the hallway which WAS VERY CUTE.
I also sort of like that part when the alien is standing in the corner of the boxing ring and the whole room starts fracturing behind him. Gotta give this one points for looking cool.
Just to be contrary, I liked the way the alien spoke in bits/pieces... it made me think of the way Picard learned that alien's language. (Darmok?)
I also loved the J/C bits, and "yes" she did use her knowledge of him to get him to "do" his damn job, which was to SAVE her damn ship!
Loved the end, when he's dancing her backwards across the bridge towards ops, and she warns Kim NOT to fire, NOT to lock him out of Voyager's computers.
KIM: I'm locking him out.
JANEWAY: No. Give up your post.
TUVOK: He's recalibrating the deflector dish and routing it through the sensor array.
CHAKOTAY: It must be altered.
PARIS: Captain, the graviton shear is increasing.
TUVOK: I'm reading microfractures on the hull.
CHAKOTAY: Stay and we'll be destroyed. Activate the deflector. Maximum amplitude. Bring sensors online!
TUVOK: Captain.
JANEWAY: Do it.
KIM: I don't know how, but the sensors have found us a course.
CHAKOTAY: Maximum impulse, now!
PARIS: Captain, if that course is wrong we could breach our hull.
JANEWAY: Engage.
She uses him, BECAUSE she trusts him to DO the job. And she's there at the end to CATCH him when the job nearly kills him.
Loved their last lines together, just before that cute "punch" she gives him in the corridor.
JANEWAY: When I said you should take the next day or two off, I thought you'd want to stay in your quarters with a good book.
CHAKOTAY: Boxing helps me unwind.
JANEWAY: Well in that case, report for duty first thing in the morning.
CHAKOTAY: See you then.
Now, I really feel like a part of things here at the Trek bbs.
I'z aims to please.
I also liked the way that the aliens spoke in clips from the show.
It was like a ransom note, but in video.
It was like a ransom note, but in video.
My bad! I honestly thought I read somewhere that they gave it to him because he boxed. My sources are obviously not reliable (or my memory.)
Still, I don't think I'll ever watch this episode anyways, so it doesn't matter.
My bad! I honestly thought I read somewhere that they gave it to him because he boxed. My sources are obviously not reliable (or my memory.)
It's not just you. I have read that, too. I'm sure of it. Of course, we might both have read the same piece of incorrect information, but I did want to let you know you're not misremembering it.
He played football. Not boxing.
My bad! I honestly thought I read somewhere that they gave it to him because he boxed. My sources are obviously not reliable (or my memory.)
It's not just you. I have read that, too. I'm sure of it. Of course, we might both have read the same piece of incorrect information, but I did want to let you know you're not misremembering it.
It's possible the writer's gave it to him because they thought he had boxed along with football.
Just in the interview where he talks about this episode he saids that he hates boxing because you can get hit and in the podcast I have he says he played football and wanted to be a football player.
My bad! I honestly thought I read somewhere that they gave it to him because he boxed. My sources are obviously not reliable (or my memory.)
It's not just you. I have read that, too. I'm sure of it. Of course, we might both have read the same piece of incorrect information, but I did want to let you know you're not misremembering it.
It's possible the writer's gave it to him because they thought he had boxed along with football.
No, I think they did it because it's cheaper to build a boxing ring on a set than to film outdoors on football field. So I think it was really about budget.
Plus I think it was also part of this unfleshed out character conflict thing they had going on with Chakotay. They kept saying how he was a peaceful man. Yet when he was left up to his own devices, he was always aggressive. He's a peaceful man who he enjoys boxing?
It's a shame the writers didn;t do more with Chakotay at this point with that inner conflict. Beltran could have focused his own anger into the role at that point and probably given us a great performance for the rest of the series.
^ He did lay out that Maquis who was sassing off to Tuvok in the episode where Tuvok made them run the 10K (forget the title).
As someone who's had minimal experience in the field (took boxing/muay thai classes for a while), I think Boothby gives some pretty crappy advice. Letting the other guy tire himself out by punching you in the face is not going to give you anything but a moral victory. But the way Chakotay's hands were taped looked pretty authentic.
And I'm on to...
"Think Tank"
I was thinking that maybe this was about Tuvok joining a group of academics who advocate for a particular political/economic/cultural agenda. But I was wrong.
It takes a minute, but as soon as he gets a close-up, my wife says, "Oh my God! That's Jason Alexander!"
Even though his cadence is very different from George Costanza's, it's difficult not to think of him as George Costanza playing a forehead alien. There were a few minutes during the episode where I didn't, though.
I like how the alien tries to give George...Kurros one of those geodes that you can get at any museum gift shop in exchange for stopping the earthquakes on his planet.
Anyway, it turns out the Hazari, a race of bounty hunters who definitely don't look like Boba Fett, are out to get Voyager. And Kurros is here to help.
Right away, I'm thinking this is a classic protection racket, that Voyager's obviously being shaken down. It's just too much of a coincidence that Kurros shows up just when the Hazari become a threat. But no one on Voyager, including the ultra-logical tactical officer, notices this coincidence.
I mentioned Boba Fett because this episode had a definite Star Wars feel--Fennim totally reminds me of someone that George Lucas might have created.
Any that scene where the Think Tank gets unplugged and Fennim's gibberish is even more musical, I think, would make a great TBBS Fail Whale, if we could use video instead of a still image. It just communicates total confusion very well.
So it takes the crew a very, very long time to figure out that Kurros hired the Hazari, and for some reason the Hazari are upset by this, which doesn't make sense, since they'll get paid no matter what.
I like how Seven's offered the chance to join the Think Tank. Not only is she the most special person on Voyager, but she's also the most special Borg ever, and this very exclusive organization wants her. No wonder my daughter's such a Seven fan. Seriously. Yesterday she said that "Seven is my favorite person!" When I asked her why, she said "I like her sound." Well, that's the difference between a three year-old girl and an adolescent boy for you.
So Seven wants to stay with Voyager, and they manage to work with the Hazari to put the kibosh on the Think Tank--although with Voyager warping away during the battle, it's possible they got away. Could a sequel be in the cards?
Overall it was a fun episode.
As someone who's had minimal experience in the field (took boxing/muay thai classes for a while), I think Boothby gives some pretty crappy advice. Letting the other guy tire himself out by punching you in the face is not going to give you anything but a moral victory. But the way Chakotay's hands were taped looked pretty authentic.
And I'm on to...
"Think Tank"
I was thinking that maybe this was about Tuvok joining a group of academics who advocate for a particular political/economic/cultural agenda. But I was wrong.
It takes a minute, but as soon as he gets a close-up, my wife says, "Oh my God! That's Jason Alexander!"
Even though his cadence is very different from George Costanza's, it's difficult not to think of him as George Costanza playing a forehead alien. There were a few minutes during the episode where I didn't, though.
I like how the alien tries to give George...Kurros one of those geodes that you can get at any museum gift shop in exchange for stopping the earthquakes on his planet.
Anyway, it turns out the Hazari, a race of bounty hunters who definitely don't look like Boba Fett, are out to get Voyager. And Kurros is here to help.
Right away, I'm thinking this is a classic protection racket, that Voyager's obviously being shaken down. It's just too much of a coincidence that Kurros shows up just when the Hazari become a threat. But no one on Voyager, including the ultra-logical tactical officer, notices this coincidence.
I mentioned Boba Fett because this episode had a definite Star Wars feel--Fennim totally reminds me of someone that George Lucas might have created.
Any that scene where the Think Tank gets unplugged and Fennim's gibberish is even more musical, I think, would make a great TBBS Fail Whale, if we could use video instead of a still image. It just communicates total confusion very well.
So it takes the crew a very, very long time to figure out that Kurros hired the Hazari, and for some reason the Hazari are upset by this, which doesn't make sense, since they'll get paid no matter what.
I like how Seven's offered the chance to join the Think Tank. Not only is she the most special person on Voyager, but she's also the most special Borg ever, and this very exclusive organization wants her. No wonder my daughter's such a Seven fan. Seriously. Yesterday she said that "Seven is my favorite person!" When I asked her why, she said "I like her sound." Well, that's the difference between a three year-old girl and an adolescent boy for you.
So Seven wants to stay with Voyager, and they manage to work with the Hazari to put the kibosh on the Think Tank--although with Voyager warping away during the battle, it's possible they got away. Could a sequel be in the cards?
Overall it was a fun episode.
"You cheated!"
I agree with your daughter... I like her "sound".
I agree with your daughter... I like her "sound".
"Sometimes cheating is more efficient.""You cheated!"
I agree with your daughter... I like her "sound".
Isn't that odd how that's one of the few lines I remember from the series?
I like her sound too. I think she's one of Trek's greatest characters.
The funny thing is that she refuses to acknowledge The Janeway. She can't even remember her name, although if pressed she will remember that the captain is "a girl." She will talk about Harry occasionally when he's on, but I think that's mostly because we know a very spirited mini-Schnauzer named Harry.
I've got two theories about why she likes Seven so much:
1. She's in her rebellious toddler phase, and Seven's in her rebellious toddler phase. For all intents and purposes, they've both been members of society for about the same time.
2. The scenes with NaomiWildman, which make Seven seem approachable to a little kid.
Personally I think that pairing Seven with NaomiWildman was a great move--they really click together and I started liking the character a lot more once they started hanging out.
I've got two theories about why she likes Seven so much:
1. She's in her rebellious toddler phase, and Seven's in her rebellious toddler phase. For all intents and purposes, they've both been members of society for about the same time.
2. The scenes with NaomiWildman, which make Seven seem approachable to a little kid.
Personally I think that pairing Seven with NaomiWildman was a great move--they really click together and I started liking the character a lot more once they started hanging out.
I love the way she says NaomiWildman, one word, just how you typed it. It makes me smile every time.
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That's not so bad. My three year old son recognizes "Chaneway", but calls all white male characters "Kirk". If prompted to take another guess, he follows up with "Spock" and then "M'Toy".
It's actually very cute.
I am back with an episode whose title I initially confused with "Dreadnought." Strangely enough, both feature B'Elanna Torres...
"Juggernaut"
It looks like we're getting what we all wanted, another Malon episode! We start out with a guy playing with a replica of a Malon ship in what looks like a dig at grown Trekkies who are into collectibles. But the real ship isn't doing so well. A Malon redshirt, who seems to know he's a redshirt, has to got fix it.
Then we come back with Torres getting anger management lessons from Tuvok in a session that's best described as awesome. The only way it would be better is if he said, "I believe that a simulation that permitted you to release your more aggressive tendencies would be most beneficial," and they went down to the holodeck and took turns choking holoNeelix into lifelessness." For strictly logical purposes, of course.
Then we're on to the main story, which is that a Malon freighter's gone a bit funny. Voyager rescues two of its crew, and it turns out they have to go back to try to fix the problem, otherwise it will contaminate a lot of space, including Voyager.
It's the usual heavy-handed Pollution is Bad story, which is a little annoying, but Torres makes it really work. Again we've got the Voyager cliche of "extreme physiological distress (radiation poisoning)=bad skin," but this one is a solid, if never spectacular episode. Once they're on the freighter, basically it's Alien, with Torres as Ripley. I can live with that.
She's able to control her anger, and even tries to get the ultra-radiated Malon to cooperate peacefully.
I liked that this episode actually tried to make the Malon more than a race of garbage men. The one guy's "I'm a sculptor" thing seems a bit derivative of the cops from Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy, one of whom I believed claimed to be a poet. Funny.
Again, I don't understand why there wouldn't be at least one Malon who would embrace Voyager's antimatter recycling technology. Even if they didn't care about the environment, it would be pretty lucrative for whoever was able to adapt the technology. How could they develop warp drive if their culture is so resistant to innovation?
"Juggernaut"
It looks like we're getting what we all wanted, another Malon episode! We start out with a guy playing with a replica of a Malon ship in what looks like a dig at grown Trekkies who are into collectibles. But the real ship isn't doing so well. A Malon redshirt, who seems to know he's a redshirt, has to got fix it.
Then we come back with Torres getting anger management lessons from Tuvok in a session that's best described as awesome. The only way it would be better is if he said, "I believe that a simulation that permitted you to release your more aggressive tendencies would be most beneficial," and they went down to the holodeck and took turns choking holoNeelix into lifelessness." For strictly logical purposes, of course.
Then we're on to the main story, which is that a Malon freighter's gone a bit funny. Voyager rescues two of its crew, and it turns out they have to go back to try to fix the problem, otherwise it will contaminate a lot of space, including Voyager.
It's the usual heavy-handed Pollution is Bad story, which is a little annoying, but Torres makes it really work. Again we've got the Voyager cliche of "extreme physiological distress (radiation poisoning)=bad skin," but this one is a solid, if never spectacular episode. Once they're on the freighter, basically it's Alien, with Torres as Ripley. I can live with that.
She's able to control her anger, and even tries to get the ultra-radiated Malon to cooperate peacefully.
I liked that this episode actually tried to make the Malon more than a race of garbage men. The one guy's "I'm a sculptor" thing seems a bit derivative of the cops from Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy, one of whom I believed claimed to be a poet. Funny.
Again, I don't understand why there wouldn't be at least one Malon who would embrace Voyager's antimatter recycling technology. Even if they didn't care about the environment, it would be pretty lucrative for whoever was able to adapt the technology. How could they develop warp drive if their culture is so resistant to innovation?
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