Another TOS origin story?

[F. King Daniel]

^Agreed.

I also find it really amusing the way that by applying reverse-continuity to Vulcan's Glory it almost says that Malcolm from Enterprise raped and impregnated T'Pol.

Although of course T'Pol would kill Malcolm the instant he tried anything like that.

And Malcolm wouldn't ever do anything like that anyway.

 

[Christopher]

I also find it really amusing the way that by applying reverse-continuity to Vulcan's Glory it almost says that Malcolm from Enterprise raped and impregnated T'Pol.

Huh?

 

[Allyn Gibson]

I also find it really amusing the way that by applying reverse-continuity to Vulcan's Glory it almost says that Malcolm from Enterprise raped and impregnated T'Pol.

Huh?

I think KingDaniel is referring to the Vulcan character who has a secret human ancestor in her (?) past. (It's been a long damn time since I read the book, so I don't recall precisely the gender of the character in question.)

 

[F. King Daniel]

I've gone back and had another look.
Security officer Daniel Reed's grandmother (who was actually named T'Dess) was raped and impregnated by a "human adventurer" who escaped Vulcan justice (and thus subsequent generations were brought up human-hating). I guess "Reed" was actually an assumed name.

Security officer...human...Vulcan...Reed...T'something...100 years ago...I guess my imagination got the better of me. Apologies

I'll try to double-check things I read years ago before making stupid claims in the future.

 

[JarodRussell]

I dislike the idea. The TOS crew came together naturally like any other crew. Spock served under Pike for 10 years. Then Kirk replaced Pike. Uhura and McCoy were not part of the crew in WNMHGB, McCoy replaced another CMO. Chekov joined at a much later point. Kirk's and McCoy's friendship only formed after McCoy joined the crew. The entire Kirk-Spock-McCoy triangle began to form only at that point. They didn't know each other before. Spock was science officer before Kirk promoted him to First Officer. Sulu started out as a physicist before Kirk transferred him to the command division, and then it took some time before he became the main helmsman.

All this glorified destined to be together from the cradle to the grave bullshit is ridiculous in my opinion. Tiny universe syndrome anyone? The proper origin story is all there in TOS.

 

[Captain Robert April]

The only actual "TOS origin story" is the story of how Gene Roddenberry created the show, sold it to Desilu, etc., etc. Otherwise, we're looking at a whole boatload of origin stories (Kirk's, Spock's, McCoy's, Sulu's, the Enterprise's....see the point?).

 

[Dayton Ward]

^ Please elaborate. You're not being sufficiently condescending for me to understand you.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Security officer Daniel Reed's grandmother (who was actually named T'Dess) was raped and impregnated by a "human adventurer" who escaped Vulcan justice (and thus subsequent generations were brought up human-hating).

There was also Francis Drake Reed in Diane Carey's April-era "Final Frontier". Didn't he have a Jamaican accent?

 

[startrekrcks]

I would love to see the Phase II gang do a origin story is that going to happen I would like to see how they all met in the prime universe as well.

 

[Captain Robert April]

The Phase II story is called "Origins", and seems to be centered on Kirk's time at the Academy.

Lots more info over in "Fan Productions"...

 

[Captain Robert April]

^ Please elaborate. You're not being sufficiently condescending for me to understand you.

 

[RandyS]

^ At least some of that ground was covered by the IDW Mirror Universe mini-series.

As well as the Mirror Universe novels published a few years back.

 

[Tara]

I would like to learn more about D. C. Fontana's Vulcan's Glory interpretation of Number One from "The Cage."

I don't know if we'll ever get a novel that is told partly from her POV. IDW's "Crew" was the closest thing to it, but as far as the tie-in novels, with the sole exception of Vulcan's Glory we rarely if ever see stories from her POV or featuring her as a protagonist. She's like the phantom First Officer when compared with Spock, Riker, T'Pol, Chakotay, Kira Nerys, etc. Which is odd when you consider so much of what made her unique and interesting was then grafted onto Spock, who became one of the most popular characters ever, with new novels exploring his life and relationships all over the place. You'd think more of the Pike-era stories would focus on the Pike/Number One/Boyce dynamics, but it seems as if many writers of the prose tie-ins find her something of a cypher. Even Children of Kings has Spock as a POV character, rather than Number One, and we only really see an exploration of her as a character through his eyes for most of the novel, tho there are some lovely bits with Pike and Number One in the last 1/3rd of the novel.

However, there's some excellent fanfiction from the last year that explores Number One and Ilyrian society (in both TOS and AOS). PM me if you'd like links.

 

[RandyS]

I'd like to see the Origin of the Mirror Universe crew. Pike vs Kirk!!!! How did Kirk woo Spock away from Pike?

In addition to the IDW comic Dayton mentioned, it's also covered in a different way in Margaret Wander Bonanno's "The Greater Good" in Mirror Universe: Shards and Shadows.

For myself, I've shunted Mirror Images over to Diane Duane's Dark Mirror Mirror Universe, largely on the basis of the Picard interlude which is incompatible with the Deep Space Nine Mirror Universe.

I think it's time for the Anti-Monitor to come along and clean up the Mirror Universe mess.

Why? The episode Parrallels showed us that there are 285,000 universes out there. If more than one of them can have a Federation, and we saw seven of those (six of you count the Borg infested universe where it's destroyed), why can't the Terran Empire exist in more than one universe?

 

[Christopher]

The episode Parrallels showed us that there are 285,000 universes out there.

Well, it showed there were at least that many.

 

[Pauln6]

The First Adventure was fun although I thought the characterisation of Janice was poor. She was portrayed as a nervous, bumbling teenager as opposed to an experienced, sassy petty officer who earned her promotion to be the captain's aide.

It contradicts canon slightly, since in Charlie X she clearly was not intended to be a teenager (and some eagle-eyed fan spotted a computer screen in Flashback listing her as being roughly the same age as Kirk).

I wouldn't mind seeing more stories featuring Kelso, Piper, Mitchell etc. McCoy could easily have been a staff physician under Piper like Chapel under McCoy in TMP so there would be no need to exclude him as a character.

 

[Captain Robert April]

Hm....Rand is supposed to be around ten years younger than Kirk....need to give "Flashback" another look-see...

 

[Therin of Andor]

The First Adventure was fun although I thought the characterisation of Janice was poor. She was portrayed as a nervous, bumbling teenager as opposed to an experienced, sassy petty officer who earned her promotion to be the captain's aide.

But wasn't there some kind of age glitch in Janice's past, where she's actually considerably older/younger(?) than her chronological age?

"At an early age, Janice and her family were traveling when their ship's warp engines blew. They were forced to travel for three years at sub-light speed..." (Memory Beta, E:TFA).

 

[F. King Daniel]

She was actually younger than her chronological age. IIRC she got into Starfleet a few years before she should have been able too.

I don't have a timeline handy, but I got the impression that E: TFA was set at least a year prior to "Where No Man..." and two years prior to the 5YM proper.
Oh, wait, she'd still be a teenager.

IMO it's no bigger deal than Chekov's age being a little skewed in STXI.


EDIT: Just checked. Janice's real age, from her perspective, is "almost seventeen".

 

[Pauln6]

That still doesn't explain why she thinks she is too mature for 17-year old Charlie barely 18 months later. She gives the strong impression that she's been round the block a few times...

A line that was edited out of Miri had her as aged 24 in year 2 (so 9 years younger than Kirk and 3 years older than Chekov) but I think that assumption has now been contradicted in Flashback (this is hearsay - I don't have the enthusiasm to check such minutiae personally). Obviously, if her chronological age is much greater this goes some way to explaining it, and if she was the only game gal on a ship full of engineers who knows what she got up to?

Personally, I think Rand appeared to be and was intended to be an expereinced NCO. I don't buy that Enterprise was her first posting. The personality shown in the book seems more like Yeoman Smith who was clearly younger and appeared to be less experienced than Rand in the second pilot.