Another Planet of the Titans Enterprise

[LordSarvain]

Very cool indeed! I think you're right as far the saucers detaching and landing being a routine operation with this design, his other drawings seem to indicate that. It really makes you wonder just how vastly different things would have been had this come to fruition considering how different this was from the TOS ship.

 

[Sarvek]

Nice looking ship. I am glad that you are keeping with the original design. Keep up the great work and keep those updates coming.

 

[Maurice]

The scale I just more or less decided arbitrarily (starting with a 1500 foot ballpark) as there aren't any definite scale cues in the concept sketches.

Well, actually, there are tiny human figures in one of the drawings:

 

[SMC]

At that scale, the people in the sketch more or less confirm the scale I chose for my version of the ship, though the image is so low res and the "people" so tiny that you could derive almost any scale you wanted by measuring them against the ship as a difference of one pixel could add or remove tens of metres from the size of the ship.

 

[B.J.]

Either way, that saucer is absolutely massive. Think it's about the size of the 2009 Enterprise?

 

[bob reed]

SMC would you email bob@randrdevelopment.com would like to ask you a couple things about your beautiful model.

 

[publiusr]

The scale I just more or less decided arbitrarily (starting with a 1500 foot ballpark) as there aren't any definite scale cues in the concept sketches.

Well, actually, there are tiny human figures in one of the drawings:

I really like that antenna farm, with all that being flush when not deployed

Here in these images, the edge of the saucer looks more rounded:
http://www.ottens.co.uk/forgottentrek/images/phase%202/phaseIIprot.jpg
http://www.ottens.co.uk/forgottentrek/images/phase 2/Enterprise saucer by Ralph McQuarrie.jpg

I might make the saucer a tad wider, and with rounded edges.

I would like to see a very large model of this with the nice antenna farm we saw in the second page of the BBS entry. I'm thinking the coloration would be rather like that of Drax's Space station in Moonraker, with similar internals, seeing Ken Adam's hand was behind that as well. A version with Kelvin or Baton Rouge type saucers might be nice--seeing they all have the linear, hard-lined edges.

Misc
http://www.ottens.co.uk/forgottentrek/phase2_9.php
http://www.starshipmodeler.net/talk/viewtopic.php?p=1283815#1283815
http://federationreference.prophpbb.com/post9588.html#p9588

 

[SMC]

Updates - bit more detail added

 

[Warped9]

I can never look at this without seeing the essential concept that the 1701D evolved out of, whether conscious or not.

That said while it's interesting (and you're doing a great job of it) even when I first saw these sketches way back when I always thought it looked more Star Wars than Star Trek and kept hoping they would go this route, which thankfully they didn't.

 

[Sarvek]

Looking good!

 

[Maurice]

Have you thought to model the inside of the Hangar Deck to match some of Ken Adam's concept sketches?

I don't have a scan handy, but there's one in The Art of Star Trek.

More saucers (for them's who ain't seen 'em):

 

[dormouse]

Beautiful.

 

[MLJames]

lordsarvains render was quite a departure from the original. I didn't realize the warp nacelles looked so backward.

That's some beautiful work there SMC.

You gonna use that tailpipe for the impulse engines, ala the original?

Was it ever established that that really was the impulse engine mount? The only really good picture I've ever seen of the stern of Ken Adam's concept was on the bottom of page 54 of The Art Of Star Trek (right beneath the shuttlebay picture DS9Sega mentioned). It showed two shapes with roughly the same shape as the TMP's impulse emitters on either side of the shuttlebay. Since they were just inboard of the nacelle struts, I always assumed they were the impulse engines.

 

[SMC]

Have you thought to model the inside of the Hangar Deck to match some of Ken Adam's concept sketches?

I'm going McQuarrie style all the way on this one. Don't get me wrong, I think Ken Adam is in the top 5 film designers ever, but I don't really agree with the tubes and platforms direction he went with in his Trek concepts. Though for the hanger bay my main inspiration is this

Obviously I'll have mine with gravity only pointing "down" but this is where I'm going with the style. Which of course is very much in keeping with McQuarrie's style as well. Also note that the trapezoidal cross section of the bay in 2001 is the same as on the McQuarrieprise design?

 

[SMC]

I can never look at this without seeing the essential concept that the 1701D evolved out of, whether conscious or not.

There is a certain resemblance but I'd bet good money on it being entirely coincidental.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

lordsarvains render was quite a departure from the original. I didn't realize the warp nacelles looked so backward.

That's some beautiful work there SMC.

You gonna use that tailpipe for the impulse engines, ala the original?

Was it ever established that that really was the impulse engine mount? The only really good picture I've ever seen of the stern of Ken Adam's concept was on the bottom of page 54 of The Art Of Star Trek (right beneath the shuttlebay picture DS9Sega mentioned). It showed two shapes with roughly the same shape as the TMP's impulse emitters on either side of the shuttlebay. Since they were just inboard of the nacelle struts, I always assumed they were the impulse engines.

I can't see anything else that could be impulse engines other than those tailpipes. Of course, it is a rough render.

 

[SMC]

There did seem to be two main versions of the design, one wide and flat, the other tall and narrow. I prefer the wider, flatter version so my model is based almost entirely on that. I might model the taller, thinner one later on as another class of ship in this alternate Trek universe.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Love it. Although, I'd like to see someone tackle Ken Adam's interior concept for this Enterprise. (If only I had the skillz that thrillz ... )

 

[Kaiser]

Very wonderful new posts / images

 

[MLJames]

There did seem to be two main versions of the design, one wide and flat, the other tall and narrow. I prefer the wider, flatter version so my model is based almost entirely on that. I might model the taller, thinner one later on as another class of ship in this alternate Trek universe.

I know; there seems to be several variants of both. The main difference among the variants seems to involve flipping the warp engines front-to-back so that the thinner section faces aft.

The Adam illustration I mentioned above also seems to be the only stern shot of either type to show the shuttlebay doors closed. Most concept sketches I've seen leave the doors open to show what the hangar looks like. It's not the one Ar-Pharazon posted, because it's in black and white, not color.