Did they ever encounter the Borg?
That would have been interesting to see if the borg could have assimilated a Founder?
That would have been interesting to see if the borg could have assimilated a Founder?
Another Dominion?
- Thread starter Gil T.Azell
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I blv there WERE Borg conduits into the GQ which meant there had to be Borg incursions at some time.Still, the Borg met strong resistance there-with those crazy-ass Jem'Hadar ramming ships into the right and left, perhaps loaded w/some kind of polarion bombs-they prolly thought descretion is the better part of valor and caution preferable to rash bravery (Falstaf)
Just can't blv fighting the dominion on their own ballfield was fun.
Just can't blv fighting the dominion on their own ballfield was fun.
Assimilation requires Borg nonoprobes to be injected into the bloodstream of the victim, but Founders don't have bloodstreams.
The Relaunch did a story (Mission Gamma, book 4) involving the Defiant encountering the aftermath of a Borg vs. Jem'Hadar battle, including finding a Founder that the Borg failed to assimilate.
The Relaunch did a story (Mission Gamma, book 4) involving the Defiant encountering the aftermath of a Borg vs. Jem'Hadar battle, including finding a Founder that the Borg failed to assimilate.
The Borg can't assimilate Founders.
That's rubbish.
We don't have evidence to support such a claim.
And what's this with the Borg being 'discrete' to engage the Dominion?
Please ... the Borg would wipe the floor with the Dominion just as easily like they almost did with the Feds (if only they keep in mind that sending 2 or more cubes would be more ... ideal).
The Dominion, apart from it's ability to clone their troops/commanders (which the Feds are able to do but don't use due to morals) and slightly faster ability to build ships in comparison to the Feds are basically on the same level of 'interest' as the Feds themselves.
I'm sure we've discussed this before... but I don't see how the Borg could assimilate the Founders, who can morph into anything, from a puddle of goo to a rock. They don't have blood. If a nanoprobe is injected, they can just push it out or perhaps crush it. Something like that. So how could they ever be assimilated? I don't see it happening.
Except for the fact that most Founders could turn into mist and cause the nano-probes to drop to the ground? Or are there other ways that the Borg can assimilate?
Well ... from what we do know of the Borg, their primary mode of assimilation is using nanoprobes ... that doesn't mean it's the ONLY one however.
Also ... it remains to be seen if a Founder would react fast enough in order to counteract the nanoprobes.
Plus, if the Founders are able to succumb to viruses, then the Borg can develop a virus for assimilation which is biological in origin (such a feat was considered for humans).
The nanoprobes among other things were portrayed as having quite a large variety of abilities, so we don't know if they wouldn't be able to adapt to a degree that they can shape-shift just like a Founder.
Keep in mind the Founders still have a genetic structure, and the nanoprobes primarily alter that.
It's possible the nanoprobes could read the genetic structure, infiltrate it, scan/read the data and learn on how to incorporate that biological feature into technology (which is what the Borg specialize in).
Also ... it remains to be seen if a Founder would react fast enough in order to counteract the nanoprobes.
Plus, if the Founders are able to succumb to viruses, then the Borg can develop a virus for assimilation which is biological in origin (such a feat was considered for humans).
The nanoprobes among other things were portrayed as having quite a large variety of abilities, so we don't know if they wouldn't be able to adapt to a degree that they can shape-shift just like a Founder.
Keep in mind the Founders still have a genetic structure, and the nanoprobes primarily alter that.
It's possible the nanoprobes could read the genetic structure, infiltrate it, scan/read the data and learn on how to incorporate that biological feature into technology (which is what the Borg specialize in).
Uh... Logic?
The only reason the Dominion didn't annihilate the Federation was because, after the worm-hole was closed, it was cut off from itself.
And remember, it took the Feds, the Rommies and the Klingons just to slow it down to the point it saw the alpha as an untenable situation at the time and it retreated--treaty or otherwise.
And it's not technology alone, it's the Jem'Hadar way of life and tactics. If the Federation wasn't passive in nature and took a much more aggressive stance to begin with, the situation with the Borg would have been completely different.
What is there in a Founder that can be assimilated? The nanoprobes would just pass out of the Founder's goo and fall on the ground.
Since it hasn't been established one way or the other, and most likely never will be (if Trek comes back, it will be off the success of ST XI, so we'll be in the 23rd C for a long time to come), I can establish whatever canon appeals to me. It's as valid as any other approach.
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Or even a stone. I'm not sure how effective those modules (tubules, whatever) would be on a piece of granite.
Or even a stone. I'm not sure how effective those modules (tubules, whatever) would be on a piece of granite.
Or against fire or cloud. We saw Laas turning into a fog and people running "in him". The nanoprobes would go through them. Like that mace thing with Odo in Emissary.
Also, the tubules have been stated to penetrate through all known materials/even forcefields.
So I think changing into a stone won't do a changeling much good.
I think that the only viable defense a Founder would have against the nanoprobes would be by turning into a form of gas IF they can react fast enough.
Assimilation is mostly instantaneous or at the very least fast, accompanied by pain ... and for a changeling to shape-shift requires concentration (which can be obstructed by the pain).
Not to mention that Founders also have a genetic structure which is exactly what the nanoprobes target.
And it stands to reason the nanoprobes aren't the only way of assimilation for the Borg.
So I think changing into a stone won't do a changeling much good.
I think that the only viable defense a Founder would have against the nanoprobes would be by turning into a form of gas IF they can react fast enough.
Assimilation is mostly instantaneous or at the very least fast, accompanied by pain ... and for a changeling to shape-shift requires concentration (which can be obstructed by the pain).
Not to mention that Founders also have a genetic structure which is exactly what the nanoprobes target.
And it stands to reason the nanoprobes aren't the only way of assimilation for the Borg.
I think one thing that hasn't been mentioned is would the Borg WANT to assimilate them. They want to "add the biological and technological distinctiveness" of other races. Well the Jem'Hadar are just clones of each other. They're a good army, but they wouldn't enhance the Borg. Similarly the ability to morph isn't replicable, so that's not of interest to the Borg.
I think the only way the Borg would get involved is if they want to gobble up lots of races that the Jem'Hadar control.
I think the only way the Borg would get involved is if they want to gobble up lots of races that the Jem'Hadar control.
The Borg ships are all cubes and spheres... They blow other stuff up.
The don't assimilate ships, the assimilate the mechanical parts/functions of a ship. The use nanomachines to do the assimilating. It just so happens nanomachines have a lot in common with the guts of a starship.
But, this would under the assumption a Founder is just a creature imitating a stone. Yet, it's been implied several times that this is not the case: A Founder is a stone.
Borg assimilate two types of things: Biological and technological--of which a piece of granite is neither.
Really now ?
The Borg have been known to assimilate alloys and numerous other materials as well ... not just biological lifeforms and technology.
So as I said before, the fact a changeling becomes a stone (granite) changes nothing.
The tubules would penetrate it with ease and let the nanoprobes do the rest.
As for the Jem'Hadar not offering anything to the Borg.
I doubt that's the case as they posses superior learning skills and almost learned how to operate the Defiant on their own in a very short amount of time.
Their genetically enhanced qualities could result in them becoming Tactical drones if anything.
The Vorta would be able to add their telekinetic abilities (provided it wasn't removed) to the Borg ...
And who said the Borg would be unable to duplicate the effect of morphing?
The nanoprobes are able to alter genetic structure of a biological entity.
To that effect, it would stand to reason the Collective would be able to include that ability in some of the more genetically compatible races they have as drones, or experiment until they make a universal application.
I also think the Founders would be a nice ripe target for the Borg.
And should the Collective find their abilities to be not worthwhile (which I would find personally strange) then they can just destroy them.
The Borg have been known to assimilate alloys and numerous other materials as well ... not just biological lifeforms and technology.
So as I said before, the fact a changeling becomes a stone (granite) changes nothing.
The tubules would penetrate it with ease and let the nanoprobes do the rest.
As for the Jem'Hadar not offering anything to the Borg.
I doubt that's the case as they posses superior learning skills and almost learned how to operate the Defiant on their own in a very short amount of time.
Their genetically enhanced qualities could result in them becoming Tactical drones if anything.
The Vorta would be able to add their telekinetic abilities (provided it wasn't removed) to the Borg ...
And who said the Borg would be unable to duplicate the effect of morphing?
The nanoprobes are able to alter genetic structure of a biological entity.
To that effect, it would stand to reason the Collective would be able to include that ability in some of the more genetically compatible races they have as drones, or experiment until they make a universal application.
I also think the Founders would be a nice ripe target for the Borg.
And should the Collective find their abilities to be not worthwhile (which I would find personally strange) then they can just destroy them.
Faced with a foe that didn't conform to basic humanoid physiology, the Borg were hopeless. The Founders are even more alien in nature than Species 8472. And that's just when they are in their gelatinous state. How the heck, as Damask pointed out, are the Borg supposed to assimilate them when they can literally become fire, steam, stone, etc...?
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