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Anonymous Survey: Pirated Star Trek

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While I do really appreciate the responses (and survey hits), I don't want this to turn into a moral debate. If that's a discussion people are interested in having, please start a separate thread.

Again, SurveyMonkey is anonymous, so please be honest. I will only post the numbers and percents as that's all the info I get from the survey.
 
I would NEVER pirate anything. Its a Creative creation that belongs to the people who made it. To obtain an illegal copy and deprive these people of their hard (and well earned) money. I mean they own he copyright and stuff. especially when you will be buying it on dvd as soon as its released. The nerve of some people. They deserve to be punished as much as the law can tolerate ...and stuff...

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Jus Keeding...
I poop on you!!
 
Survey complete.

Count me into the "downloads but then buys" category. Which I think even companies could eventually get behind. Make the downloads free; make keeping it cost money. That way, if it's enjoyed and used over time, everyone wins. Sort of a "try before you buy" system.
 
I found it funny that there were torrents ostensibly of the film appearing months before it came out. I wonder how many viruses and trojans the managed to fit into there...
 
Just for case somebody mistrusts the surveymonkey site, you can get another layer of anonymization by going through www.250.eu proxy.

I think I have the right to download the illegal copy

That is a contradiction.

It is not. Somebody can post a copy ilegally (thus illegal copy), but you can download it legally in many of civilized countries.

Yeah. I have this big thing about pirating movies still in theaters. I mean, I don't like it when people pirate anything, but this in particular. Respect on many orders of magnitude tend to lessen for those who do. Which is generally why I don't ask.

Then again, I have this big thing about going to cinema and paying substantial admission money only to find out I've seen all the good parts in the teaser already, and the rest of the movie is just fluff. Happened to me more than once already.

I strongly believe that I, as a customer, have a right to see what I am buying, before I pay for it, and to decide whether I want to pay for it or not. Guys at Hollywood might dislike it, but then again: I am the customer, I hold the money, I am always right. Isn't that a principal rule of capitalism?
 
I strongly believe that I, as a customer, have a right to see what I am buying, before I pay for it, and to decide whether I want to pay for it or not. Guys at Hollywood might dislike it, but then again: I am the customer, I hold the money, I am always right. Isn't that a principal rule of capitalism?

I think a more basic rule of capitalism is the exchange of consideration. You are obtaining something for nothing, which is contrary to that.

You have access to over a hundred reviews to get a pretty good idea of the film before going to see it.
 
Then again, I have this big thing about going to cinema and paying substantial admission money only to find out I've seen all the good parts in the teaser already, and the rest of the movie is just fluff. Happened to me more than once already.

I strongly believe that I, as a customer, have a right to see what I am buying, before I pay for it, and to decide whether I want to pay for it or not. Guys at Hollywood might dislike it, but then again: I am the customer, I hold the money, I am always right. Isn't that a principal rule of capitalism?

No, no it isn't the principle rule of capitalism, because the customer is not always right. If you owned an electronics store and I took a DVD player and left, am I just trying it before I buy it? What if I don't want to pay $50 for a DVD player and throw a $10 on the counter. As the customer, am I right to do this? Think about it.

As for bad movie experiences happening to you already: too bad. Suck it up and learn your lesson by not seeing a movie by that director/producer/film company. Otherwise, you're stealing. Honestly, why should they pay for your mistake? You weren't forced to see it, no one made you put money on the counter for it. Your taste may be different from the guy next to you who loved the movie. Guess what? You don't get paid to not like something, and you certainly don't steal simply because you don't want to pay for it.

One more thing: There are some things you can't try before you buy: Underwear, Prostitutes, and Theater Release movies. If you want to see the movie before you pay for it, how the hell is that anything but stealing if you end up not paying for it? Everyone else paid for it, why shouldn't you? Are you special? No, so why are you stealing it while others are paying to view the movie?

Seriously. That excuse just doesn't fly when it comes to theater release movies.

J.
 
Then again, I have this big thing about going to cinema and paying substantial admission money only to find out I've seen all the good parts in the teaser already, and the rest of the movie is just fluff. Happened to me more than once already.

I strongly believe that I, as a customer, have a right to see what I am buying, before I pay for it, and to decide whether I want to pay for it or not. Guys at Hollywood might dislike it, but then again: I am the customer, I hold the money, I am always right. Isn't that a principal rule of capitalism?

No, no it isn't the principle rule of capitalism, because the customer is not always right. If you owned an electronics store and I took a DVD player and left, am I just trying it before I buy it? What if I don't want to pay $50 for a DVD player and throw a $10 on the counter. As the customer, am I right to do this? Think about it.

As for bad movie experiences happening to you already: too bad. Suck it up and learn your lesson by not seeing a movie by that director/producer/film company. Otherwise, you're stealing.

One more thing: There are some things you can't try before you buy: Underwear, Prostitutes, and Theater Release movies. If you want to see the movie before you pay for it, how the hell is that anything but stealing if you end up not paying for it? Everyone else paid for it, why shouldn't you? Are you special? No, so why are you stealing it while others are paying to view the movie?

Seriously. That excuse just doesn't fly when it comes to theater release movies.

J.
I agree wholeheartedly with J.

Caveat Emptor is the primal rule of capitalism... meaning buy what you want but be prepared for it not to have been worth the money.

And stealing something, then deciding later to buy one as well, is still stealing.
 
Do BluRay discs come out about the same time as regular DVDs?


J.
 
If you owned an electronics store and I took a DVD player and left, am I just trying it before I buy it? What if I don't want to pay $50 for a DVD player and throw a $10 on the counter. As the customer, am I right to do this? Think about it.

If you want to try it before buying, you're free to bring your own discs. My shop assistant will plug the player into television for you and you're free to try how does it play your discs. If you like what you get, you can buy the player. If not, you can try another player. You can even leave and not buy anything. Everyone's happy.

On the other hand, movie business is like those huge appliance-selling chains that just take your money, hand you a sealed box and expect you to haul it all the way to your home, try the appliance at home and haul it all the way back to return it if it is faulty. They're basically turning their expenses over to the customer.

As for bad movie experiences happening to you already: too bad. Suck it up and learn your lesson by not seeing a movie by that director/producer/film company. Otherwise, you're stealing. Honestly, why should they pay for your mistake? You weren't forced to see it, no one made you put money on the counter for it. Your taste may be different from the guy next to you who loved the movie. Guess what? You don't get paid to not like something, and you certainly don't steal simply because you don't want to pay for it.

If you steal something, it vanishes. Basically, if they sell you a movie by advertising it falsely, with a cleverly cut teaser, as a good movie, they stole your money, albeit legally. However, if you download the movie and see it to decide if you want to see it in cinema, you didn't steal anything. The movie doesn't magically vanish from cinema just because you downloaded it. You merely prevented them from stealing your money, but they aren't missing anything. Except for the money they intended to steal from you.

One more thing: There are some things you can't try before you buy: Underwear, Prostitutes, and Theater Release movies.

If the underwear is lousy, I can return it and get my money back. If the prostitute is lousy, I can at least beat her. What am I supposed to do if the movie is lousy - pee all over the silver screen? Dunno about your country, but in my country, I usually can't get the admission money back, no matter how stupid the movie is and no matter how early in the movie I leave.

Caveat emptor principle is valid, but that's only one more argument for downloading: downloading means doing everything you can in order to avoid losing money. When you are buying an used car, you expect to test it and have it checked by your mechanic before you pay; and this is exactly the same. Caveat emptor, I totally agree. Let the buyer be wary. Downloading a movie to decide whether to see it in cinema is being wary.

It may be morally uncertain. But so is selling a pig in a poke, which is basically what Hollywood is doing. People are only defending ourselves. Movie piracy is just a response of cheated customers.
 
Do i have a copy of the movie? Yes i do. Did i pay to see if first? Yes i did. Have i gone to see it again after obtaining said copy....indeed i have. Am i going to go see it again multiple times? Damn straight i am. Will I be buying it on Blu-Ray? you bet your ass i will be. Is it ok for me to download it? Hell No......Do I care? Nope, I don't need to justify it.
 
If the prostitute is lousy, I can at least beat her.

That is one of the more surprising comments I've seen today.

Do i have a copy of the movie? Yes i do. Did i pay to see if first? Yes i did. Have i gone to see it again after obtaining said copy....indeed i have. Am i going to go see it again multiple times? Damn straight i am. Will I be buying it on Blu-Ray? you bet your ass i will be. Is it ok for me to download it? Hell No......Do I care? Nope, I don't need to justify it.

That's actually a preferable attitude. People are going to illegally download things, and I accept that. It's the ridiculous self-righteous moral crusade arguments to attempt to justify it that really bug me. It's not about a bloody moral campaign against the big studios, it's about saving money and time. It's up to the individual whether they feel right doing it or not - and are prepared to deal with the consequences if caught.
 
Do i have a copy of the movie? Yes i do. Did i pay to see if first? Yes i did. Have i gone to see it again after obtaining said copy....indeed i have. Am i going to go see it again multiple times? Damn straight i am. Will I be buying it on Blu-Ray? you bet your ass i will be. Is it ok for me to download it? Hell No......Do I care? Nope, I don't need to justify it.
The only honorable criminal on the board...
 
If you owned an electronics store and I took a DVD player and left, am I just trying it before I buy it? What if I don't want to pay $50 for a DVD player and throw a $10 on the counter. As the customer, am I right to do this? Think about it.

If you want to try it before buying, you're free to bring your own discs. My shop assistant will plug the player into television for you and you're free to try how does it play your discs. If you like what you get, you can buy the player. If not, you can try another player. You can even leave and not buy anything. Everyone's happy.

On the other hand, movie business is like those huge appliance-selling chains that just take your money, hand you a sealed box and expect you to haul it all the way to your home, try the appliance at home and haul it all the way back to return it if it is faulty. They're basically turning their expenses over to the customer.

As for bad movie experiences happening to you already: too bad. Suck it up and learn your lesson by not seeing a movie by that director/producer/film company. Otherwise, you're stealing. Honestly, why should they pay for your mistake? You weren't forced to see it, no one made you put money on the counter for it. Your taste may be different from the guy next to you who loved the movie. Guess what? You don't get paid to not like something, and you certainly don't steal simply because you don't want to pay for it.
If you steal something, it vanishes. Basically, if they sell you a movie by advertising it falsely, with a cleverly cut teaser, as a good movie, they stole your money, albeit legally. However, if you download the movie and see it to decide if you want to see it in cinema, you didn't steal anything. The movie doesn't magically vanish from cinema just because you downloaded it. You merely prevented them from stealing your money, but they aren't missing anything. Except for the money they intended to steal from you.

One more thing: There are some things you can't try before you buy: Underwear, Prostitutes, and Theater Release movies.
If the underwear is lousy, I can return it and get my money back. If the prostitute is lousy, I can at least beat her. What am I supposed to do if the movie is lousy - pee all over the silver screen? Dunno about your country, but in my country, I usually can't get the admission money back, no matter how stupid the movie is and no matter how early in the movie I leave.

Caveat emptor principle is valid, but that's only one more argument for downloading: downloading means doing everything you can in order to avoid losing money. When you are buying an used car, you expect to test it and have it checked by your mechanic before you pay; and this is exactly the same. Caveat emptor, I totally agree. Let the buyer be wary. Downloading a movie to decide whether to see it in cinema is being wary.

It may be morally uncertain. But so is selling a pig in a poke, which is basically what Hollywood is doing. People are only defending ourselves. Movie piracy is just a response of cheated customers.

Those are some incredibly convoluted mental gymnastics just to say you think it's okay to steal and pay only if you end up liking what you stole.

J.
 
The OP can PM me with his poll results if he/she so wishes. Until that time this thread is closed. A debate over pirating property doesn't belong in the Trek XI forum anyway.

Bottom Line: If you've downloaded a copy of this flick you've stolen it. The TrekBBS wants nothing to do with that.
 
Overgeeked's survey results are as follows:

The survey I opened about pirating ST11 is complete. My target number was 100 and I've collected all the responses (thank you all very much). I will parse the data over the next few days, but the basic data is as follows:

Question 1: Have you pirated songs from the internet before?
Yes: 70%
No: 30%

Question 2: Have you pirated movies from the internet before?
Yes: 61%
No: 39%

Question 3: Have you pirated Star Trek media from the internet (excluding the new movie)?
Yes: 45%
No: 55%

Question 4: Have you pirated the new Star Trek movie?
Yes: 34%
No: 66%

Again, thank you all for participating and I'll be back with more of a breakdown soon.
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The thread will remain closed.
 
I'm also bumping to say that I forgot noobies can't PM right away. That was my bad.

Regardless, the board powers that be don't want us talking about piracy. Just to be on the safe side of the law or whatever corporate spies are lurking. It's not a bad policy to have. So the thread will remain closed.
 
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