Anomalies in fandom

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  1. Grant

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    The other big headline I remember at the time was that she claim to be a sex addict. That was mentioned in a lot of the reviews as well. I wonder if her sex addiction was caused by this incident?
     
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    I think she laid the blame on her sense of alienation at being adopted. The upshot was that her addictions were trying to fill the void: when she quit drinking she would smoke weed, when she had a boob job to improve her self esteem, she had to prove to herself that she was somehow worth more, and her lowest point was where she was combining booze and sex because nothing was working to fill that void.

    In the end she just became addicted to religion and helping others but that saved both her and a lot of other people. Channel your addictive personality wisely!

    Many other actors, including Leonard Nimoy and Tom Hardy had troubles too.
     
  3. Maurice Navidad

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    9) Her memoir was published in 1998, and in it she says that The Executive is gone and can’t hurt her any more. Of the Trek staff who could be reasonable suspects, only Coon and Roddenberry were deceased by that date, Coon in 1973, and Roddenberry in 1991. That basically narrows the list down to two of the Trek people, one of whom—Coon—had only been on the staff for a few weeks when Miri was filmed.
     
  4. Green

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    Yeah, she wasn100% referring to someone who was deceased because as long as the person was alive he would be in a position to hurt her.
     
  5. ZapBrannigan

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    That's a tremendous point, and it raises the question of whether there's any evidence for or against Coon.

    Regarding the implied exoneration of the other few execs, there's a problem with that. A lot of Hollywood folks don't actually read the book in a situation like this, to say nothing of reading it closely and giving weight to small details, like a detective. They just hear the rumor, and amid a rush of other daily business decisions, maybe they'd rather not hire that guy who might be that rapist.

    And that's how a cloud of suspicion can harm a man who was never technically "accused" of anything.
     
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  6. Green

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    Yeah, very few people are going to go to the lengths that some here have in their analyzing of every little detail of that chapter including knowing all the particulars of the assailants personal life and habits.
     
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  7. Maurice Navidad

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    As @Serveaux and I discussed recently, there's been essentially zero serious academic writing about the history of Star Trek, certainly in terms of a serious production study with historical context. Most of the "history" presented has been in form of anecdotes by people with a story to sell, self promotion, or axes to grind. There's so much stuff about Trek that people accept at face value because people they love who said it, not because there's any factual evidence for it...and often what evidence there is contradicts it.
     
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  8. JonnyQuest037

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    An excellent point that I forgot to include. Thanks for the addition, Maurice.
    Gene Coon was far from a womanzier, according to several accounts. Happily married, Coon ultimately left his wife when he re-established contact with his long lost love who he discovered was working as a model in L.A. (He saw her on a billboard, IIRC.) He felt so guilty about it that he let his wife basically have everything in the divorce. And he passed away just a couple of years after marrying his first love. Contrast that with Roddenberry telling his wife Eileen that he was heading to Hawaii by himself to recover from the grind of Star Trek while he was really going there with Majel.

    I believe that Shatner tells the story of Coon's marriages in his Star Trek Memories book, but it wouldn't surprise me if Justman and Solow also covered it in Inside Star Trek: The Real Story. (Normally I'd check, but it's late and I'm tired. Maybe tomorrow.)
     
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    There's the goalpost shift. There's a lot of daylight between can harm and did harm. At this point, having repeatedly asked how these men have been harmed as you claim they have been and having received no answer to that question, I'm just going to assume at least until you present otherwise that you can present nothing showing that they were in fact harmed by GLW.
     
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    Case closed! LOL.
     
  11. 1001001

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    You wonder if being sexually assaulted made her a sex addict?

    Neither of these posts are okay. Please don't go down this road again.
     
  12. Grant

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    She stated herself that she became a sex addict sometime after she left the show. Something triggered that maybe it was the experience that messed her up
     
  13. JonnyQuest037

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    Grant, you don't know what you're talking about here. @1001001 is a psychologist. I would say that they know more about this subject than you.
     
  14. Grant

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    Certainly something in her life that was negative caused her to have the sex addiction that she spoke about several times. I was simply wondering if this was the negative experience that may have triggered that. I'm not a psychologist I was just wondering. I don't have the book so I don't know what her explanation was for why her life went so bad in so many ways. Maybe somebody who read the book would know the answer.
     
  15. ZapBrannigan

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    I don't think, with real people, we can often say "X happened, and that flipped a switch." Transformative experiences are probably more common with fictional characters.
     
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    Well she was dealing with a lot of stuff at the time from what I've learned in this thread. there was a divorce the assault and then being fired so probably wasn't only one thing. But as someone stated in this thread she chose to start off the book in the first few pages with pretty graphic description of the assault. So presumably there was some reason why she chose to start the book off with something that shocking.
     
  17. 1001001

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    What part of “don’t go down this road again” was unclear?

    Drop it. Now.
     
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    It was kind of sad how after season one they ditched all the female specialists. Besides Palamas and a few random yeoman they felt nurse or switchboard operator was all the females were capable of. I remember one female Helmsman and 1 girl taking Spocks station but that was it. Maybe I'm missing a couple of bit part crewwomen. Really prefer season one's depiction of the crew.
     
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