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And the Next Cancelled Show is...

The first one, of course, was wonderful, and has earned itself a permanent place in cinema history.

The second one sucked balls. It was supposed to take place at Dulles Airport in Chantilly, VA, and they couldn't even bother to make it look like Dulles. The rapid swapping back-and-forth between live and blank ammo magazines was completely wrong. You need a blank adapter to allow the weapons to fully cycle, otherwise there isn't enough back-pressure to push the bolt back to load the next round, and if you fired a live round through it with the adapter still attached you'll blow the whole barrel off, if not explode the entire receiver into the user's face. The story was just kind of a formulaic re-hash of the original. With snow mobiles. Pfft...

The third one was quite good, IMO, with Jeremy Irons doing a fantastic job as Hans Gruber's East German baby bro. Samuel L. Jackson rounded out a very well-configured cast. A very good sequel to the original, following the traditional A/B/A trilogy pattern.

The 4th & 5th films were meh. I know I saw them but I found them entirely forgettable, as I don't really remember much about them at all. Lots of driving around in hazardous ways and big 'splosions. I think there were rumors of a sixth film at one time, but since I'm apparently not the only one that found 4 & 5 forgettable, and due to the failing health of Bruce Willis, I suspect it's all done, pending another franchise reboot down the line in another 5-10 years.
I think Die Hard With A Vengeance is one of my favorite movies. Does a good job of nailing the look and feel of New York City in the summer during June or September, when everything's too hot but school is in session.
 
Let me guess, in their minds Superman Returns did poorly at the box office because Smallville was on the air at the time?
I thought it was because instead of the former DCFU, they are making it the DC OU (Omni Universe), where they said all media, from Movies to TV but even games, would be tied together?

So it makes actually a lot more sense for them to do that. We had the opposite problem, as James Gunn has pointed out, where it felt like to him WB was giving out a license to everyone who wanted one... and that diluted the audience... as opposed to the MCU in its hey day, where in addition to specific fans, you had a growing base that could reasonably follow all the material that was out.

An example of dilution was the Arrowverse, where at one time, they had 5 different series going on. Ain't now way for me to follow ALL those, even when i was single and without kids.... that was just way too much to follow at one time.

We can have different versions of the same thing.... but spread it out over time. Most normal people can't follow all of it
 
Well, speaking as someone who was a fan of the show at the time and wasn't entirely sold on SR they're not exactly wrong...

I mean, it had many, many other problems, but I think a case could be made that it was viewed particularly negatively because of the contrast with Smallville.

It comes across as weird reasoning because DC should really be more united in their plans at this point, and they've had plenty of time to do so. It ends up feeling like they're not coordinated for the long-term.
 
I think it flopped because at that time , Superman was probably not seen as edgy or a modern enough hero. It's always a issue with Superman.The more you try and move him away from the Normal Rockwell version we got with the Reeve's movies the less interest people seem to have.

I think these days a Superman like would be welcomed in our more cynical look and exhaustion from the modern world. Which seems to be what James Gunn is going for. But with more humor.
 
It comes across as weird reasoning because DC should really be more united in their plans at this point, and they've had plenty of time to do so. It ends up feeling like they're not coordinated for the long-term.

The CW Superman was from previous regimes... and in fact the show doesn't even (technically) have the Same Superman and Lois that was introduced in the Arrowverse... which even on that level seemed uncoordinated. That is supposed to change under Gunm and Safran's new DCOU
 
I think it flopped because at that time , Superman was probably not seen as edgy or a modern enough hero. It's always a issue with Superman.The more you try and move him away from the Normal Rockwell version we got with the Reeve's movies the less interest people seem to have.
In the case of Superman Returns, I remember some of the criticism coming from the fact that Singer had basically penned a 2½ hour love letter to the 1978 film. Yeah, it had modern visual effects, but it's still the same John Williams theme, the opening credits still zoom at you like it's kind of 3D, the Fortress of Solitude still has the same look as it did in '78, and oh look, they slipped in some unused Brando footage. Contrast this with Nolan's Batman Begins that came out the year before, where it gladly broke with the Burton/Schumacher films and charted its own course.
 
, Superman was probably not seen as edgy or a modern enough hero. It's always a issue with Superman.The more you try and move him away from the Normal Rockwell version we got with the Reeve's movies the less interest people seem to have.

And see, I feel that's what the issue was with Snyder's take on the character. I don't think he's the kind of character that should have to be edgy or brooding. Leave that to Batman. I've always felt the two represented two completely different styles that should ideally be opposite themselves in terms of personality. Which is why the whole thing with Batman vs Superman never worked for me. What they really need to do is bring back some of that optimism the character represented, something they tried to do with Supergirl early on in the recent series. Superman was created during the depression era, something to keep in mind.
 
I think it flopped because at that time , Superman was probably not seen as edgy or a modern enough hero. It's always a issue with Superman.The more you try and move him away from the Normal Rockwell version we got with the Reeve's movies the less interest people seem to have.

I think these days a Superman like would be welcomed in our more cynical look and exhaustion from the modern world. Which seems to be what James Gunn is going for. But with more humor.
I've read some of the early Superman comics, and he seemed witty and sardonic. It be cool if they did a Superman like that today.
 
Warner Bros., Not The CW, Ended SUPERMAN & LOIS Due To Concerns It Would Compete With SUPERMAN: LEGACY

https://comicbookmovie.com/tv/dc/su...ompete-with-superman-legacy-a209436#gs.4nv18a

WB used to have this attitude but I thought that they had grown out of it. Even the general audience nowadays can easily understand different versions of characters, its just ridiculous to think like this nowadays.

Also, its funny that multiple Supermen is a problem, but two different Batman film franchises (three if you count the Joker movies) are either active or in development.
 
I highly doubt that you're not alone in that assessment. I suspect that's why it was discontinued, because nobody ever heard of it or used it. :lol:

I have an Amazon Firestik - saw FreeVee on there, but never ran it once - used Cue Streaming instead.
 
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