And the Next Cancelled Show is...
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It's more than that. It's like certain people can't stand actual good drama and with good stories as opposed to sci-fi that has action and shooting at all times. There's a place for both in the world. Sometimes we just want to sit down with a group of people where some might not necessarily enjoy sci-fi aspects, and a show such as this one ended up winning them over by the end. Because of characters and good writing being the primary driving force.
Is it actually shutting down, or just restructuring? I was looking forward to Slugfest (though I imagine, even if Quibi actually shut down, it would find another form of release).
or we don't want tedious melodrama.
Away and The First both had the tedious teenage daughter stuff that we've seen so many times before so it was nothing new.
What Away had that was different was Matt's struggles after his stroke and unlike so many shows, he wasn't up and walking by the end.
For people with a physical disability that is their reality yet one that is so seldomly reflected in what they see on tv so Away gets a thumbs up for (was disappointed when Arrow decided to give Felicity a magic chip so she could walk again).
Wow, I never even heard about Quibi before. Sure didn't last very long.
Which would be a fine reason on its own. People are perfectly fine to dislike certain types of shows. I have more of a problem with the fact that people all over the place have dumped on the show on the basis that it's something entirely different from what they were expecting and giving it low scores, most of them likely from people not having seen it beyond the first episode and decrying it the worst thing on Netflix. Like someone else pointed out, Another Life is allowed to stay on yet this gets cancelled? And I even ended up liking Another Life, but fully admit it had its own set of problems. It would have been nice for them to have the courage to go on with a second season. The final moments when they're on Mars was one of the most poignant pieces I've seen recently on TV.
I wasn't even that into season 4 of Dexter mainly because I felt they had to reduce Dexter's competency level to contrive the ending and didn't earn it.
I wouldn't be sad even if they went back to after season 1 and followed the books instead.
I wouldn't be sad even if they went back to after season 1 and followed the books instead.
I wouldn't want them to go that far but to go back to just after Rita was killed would be okay IMO. Granted it's still hard to forget the other stuff. I still can't help but to think of Michael Myers and Laurie Strode as brother and sister even though they retconned that in the last movie.
Jason
I just felt like the Dexter we knew from the first three seasons would have killed him much earlier in the season, and they could have worked harder to justify the way things went.
I couldn't care less about the teenage daughter drama with the boyfriend and while I understand she was written to be something back home for Hilary Swank, but it was just the same old same old.
I binged Away recently.
The problem is just...the FIRST mission wouldn't be a drama surrounded mess. It'll be clockwork. The crew may as well be robots. The ship would be inspected thrice over every three days. That everything breaks down or whatever just feels cheap.
The Martian did it right with the Ares IV mission. The last three went without a hitch. Hell there's a sense of malaise. It feels more grounded. Because what we saw with Apollo and the Shuttle was hoo-hum, then moments of abject terror - 13, Challenger, Columbia. There was barely any outright drama. There was some behind the scenes but even then it was very professional, very tight-laced - like the USAF turning the Shuttle into a beast that it shouldn't had been, or the rush around Apollo 1 and that gave us three corpses, and so on.
This is the problem with 'First Mission' or 'Drama Scifi'. It cranks it all up but the damn things might as well be a chereographed dance in reality. Then the expected mechanical disaster mission movie or series...also turns the characters into unprofessional messes with no training quite a few times, and that's hard to swallow, too. These series work as Man Vs Technology or Man Vs Nature but it has to be something grounded.
The Martian - that can't happen, not with the current Martian atmosphere, by the way. Getting hit by a micrometeor? Possibly...but no known craft has. Space Debris? Again, possible, we're setting more and more incidents. Cooked by a Mass Coronal Ejection? I sure wouldn't want to be on a slow clunker of a ship to Mars for three months/thirty days during one, sure, if it was pointed my way. Apollo 13 happened because of an onboard explosion (or MAYBE a hit, but doubtful). Every system on Atlas going through the worst possible thing when there would be three backups of each and tested a million times before and everyone has some dark secret past - yea, ehhhh.
And when these shows fail, it's not the drama that is pointed out as being off or bad, but expected, it's the 'tech' side of the story, which sucks. I love hard scifi, mundane scifi. Stuff like NightFlyers, Away, Gravity, The Martian, Moon (as much as I loathe Moon), Mars, For All Mankind, The First, Defying Gravity, and so on (Europa Report, The Expanse get honorable mentions) are part of a 'wave' that I don't want to see gone because the writers and execs go 'well, it just doesn't seem to stick'.
All they need to do is get a bit creative and draft it a bit over, see if they can find some more original premises beyond drama laden secret toting first missions or contrived mech failure missions....
The problem is just...the FIRST mission wouldn't be a drama surrounded mess. It'll be clockwork. The crew may as well be robots. The ship would be inspected thrice over every three days. That everything breaks down or whatever just feels cheap.
The Martian did it right with the Ares IV mission. The last three went without a hitch. Hell there's a sense of malaise. It feels more grounded. Because what we saw with Apollo and the Shuttle was hoo-hum, then moments of abject terror - 13, Challenger, Columbia. There was barely any outright drama. There was some behind the scenes but even then it was very professional, very tight-laced - like the USAF turning the Shuttle into a beast that it shouldn't had been, or the rush around Apollo 1 and that gave us three corpses, and so on.
This is the problem with 'First Mission' or 'Drama Scifi'. It cranks it all up but the damn things might as well be a chereographed dance in reality. Then the expected mechanical disaster mission movie or series...also turns the characters into unprofessional messes with no training quite a few times, and that's hard to swallow, too. These series work as Man Vs Technology or Man Vs Nature but it has to be something grounded.
The Martian - that can't happen, not with the current Martian atmosphere, by the way. Getting hit by a micrometeor? Possibly...but no known craft has. Space Debris? Again, possible, we're setting more and more incidents. Cooked by a Mass Coronal Ejection? I sure wouldn't want to be on a slow clunker of a ship to Mars for three months/thirty days during one, sure, if it was pointed my way. Apollo 13 happened because of an onboard explosion (or MAYBE a hit, but doubtful). Every system on Atlas going through the worst possible thing when there would be three backups of each and tested a million times before and everyone has some dark secret past - yea, ehhhh.
And when these shows fail, it's not the drama that is pointed out as being off or bad, but expected, it's the 'tech' side of the story, which sucks. I love hard scifi, mundane scifi. Stuff like NightFlyers, Away, Gravity, The Martian, Moon (as much as I loathe Moon), Mars, For All Mankind, The First, Defying Gravity, and so on (Europa Report, The Expanse get honorable mentions) are part of a 'wave' that I don't want to see gone because the writers and execs go 'well, it just doesn't seem to stick'.
All they need to do is get a bit creative and draft it a bit over, see if they can find some more original premises beyond drama laden secret toting first missions or contrived mech failure missions....
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I agree with all of that, Annatar. I haven't watched The First or Away, but I did watch and love For All Mankind. It still falls into the Earthbound personal drama traps but, for the most part, those dramas are secondary (with the one obvious exception). Most of the drama of that show is the shifting of the space race and the expectations and pressures placed on American astronauts, along with seeing how history plays out differently from what actually happened. The show is getting a second season and I'm curious to see how things continue to diverge and hopefully it'll eventually get to a Mars mission as well.
You know it just occurred to me one of the reasons a space show or shows set in the past that have been canned like, Glow and On Becoming a God in Central Florida is because the settings don't allow you to use extra's or actors wearing masks which of course is a issue today because of COVID. I mean one wresting match on Glow for example with a bunch of extra's making up the audience means you would have all these people close together and since it's happening in the 1980's you can't just put a mask on them since you didn't have COVID back then.
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Jason
Ordinarily, yes. But I do still think the show has a lot of truth to it. Like I said, the science and tech aren't the best in the show, but there are times where much of it is surprisingly truthful. Been watching A Year in Space, which is the story of Astronaut Mark Kelly's story of year aboard the ISS and the preparations for doing so, and I found there were a surprising amount of parallels to what was seen in Away even if Away put the drama into high gear. Either way, I found Away to be an enjoyable show to watch.
NASA was able to attribute the cause of the Apollo 13 explosion to the Service Module Oxygen Take 2. Shortly before the explosion, Mission Control requested the crew stir the tanks. The tank had originally been installed in the SM for Apollo 10, but was removed to fix a potential electromagnetic interference problem. While it was being removed, the tank was dropped about 2 inches. The tank was later installed in the SM for Apollo 13 and during a preflight test, the tank was filled with liquid oxygen. The tank could not be completely drained, possibly to some minor damage from the drop. Internal tank heaters were turned on to boil off the remaining oxygen. The system was designed not to exceed 80°F, but they failed under the external 65-volt power supply used at the launch pad instead of SM 28-volt power supply. While the tanks had been redesigned earlier to be able to use 65-volt supplies, the heater thermostatic switches had not. The internal temperatures may have reached 1,000°F. This high temperature probably have caused the Teflon insulation to melt. The internal temperature gauge was not designed to read higher than 85°F, so nothing unusual would have been observed. When the tanks were stirred by the crew, an electric arc was created and caused the explosion.
Not suprising.
It was okay but not brilliant and like Handmaiden's Tale the source material is pretty much covered in the first series and what comes next is purely the creation of the writer's room.
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