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and the #1 top illegally downloaded show in the world is...

Temis the Vorta

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Heroes.

Well my faith in humanity just plummetted, wait, I never had any faith to begin with. :rommie: And rather than puzzle over the odd phenomenon of people shoplifting what others won't take for free, I'm interested in what this implies about the problem faced by all TV but particularly broadcast networks, namely that the under-35 crowd wouldn't even bother to steal most of their product (and it's a given, I think, that illegal downloaders generally correspond to the under-35 crowd which explains how Heroes could beat Lost in this listing and it's not just that pirates have terrible taste in TV).

-The studio that makes Heroes (Universal) can use even illegal downloads as a revenue stream by amping up product placements even more. The whole cast gets Nissan Versas! Collorary: we'll never be rid of Hiro and Ando's increasingly pointless antics. :rolleyes:

-Downloaders can be lumped together with non-ad-watching TiVO viewers in the same revenue model. That's a big-ass audience, even if product placements are a paltry and indirect way to offset Nielsens, they can add up to a substantial figure through sheer volume.

-NBC should not turn up its nose at Heroes' online popularity because at least it gives them a test case to use, to determine how to do what all networks will need to, mainly find ways not to be dependent on the dying ad-supported broadcast model. Most of NBC's lineup gets ignored even by pirates, and the under-35 crowd is losing interest in broadcast TV compared with older cohorts. (Network TV's average audience age is now 50, outside their 18-49 target.)

-The new advertising model will be created in part by networks starting to take fansites seriously, and yes even that dratted Facebook, as venues for advertising. The online fandom cannot begin and end at their own websites, and ad models need to be far more creative than dumb ad banners. As the article says, about half the downloaders are American, and are getting episodes of American shows early. Why not just wait for the broadcast or TiVO? Because they need to be the first to yak about episodes online, post spoilers, etc. This is social media, and that's how to crack the iceberg. The audience won't generate serious revenue now, because it is still too small. This is investment for the future, to solve a problem that must be solved if network TV doesn't plan to just ride the Titanic all the way to the bottom of the sea.

-Moreso than for other shows, Heroes' future cannot be predicted from this coming season's Nielsens. Even if the ratings continue to slide, I bet it gets an S5 because NBC won't want to lose its guinea pig. I'm sure NBC will have plenty of other shows to cancel, maybe all of them considering how pathetic their lineup is. PS, I wouldn't be surprised if Chuck gets an S4. The whole Subway thing demonstrated that Chuck is a good guinea pig show, too.

-Casting Robert Knepper from Prison Break was a smart and highly calculated move (and I think will at least stabilize the ratings if not push em up). Heroes should think about grabbing Wentworth Miller and William Fichtner if possible. When Lost ends, there's a whole new stable of worthwhile actors to glom onto. When 24 ends, grab Katee Sackhoff and Mary Lyn Rajskub (and Kiefer, but somehow I think he's out of their league). Grab Michael Rosenbaum and don't waste him like you did his dad. Actors with piracy-fostered online followings will become ever more valuable commodities.

-Pirates don't care how badly a show is written, as long as it has sexy stars and lots of zany plot twists. I hate to say it, but casting actors with online followings and keeping everyone dazzled by nonsense is probably more important than water-tight plotting. Heroes (along with the likes of Gossip Girl) will be the model for future young-skewing series.

Lastly, I can't help quoting the wonderful way the article begins, quoting the scholarly journal DUH:

Millions of television viewers are now using file-sharing services to access free and unauthorised copies of programmes, research has revealed.

:D

PS, this thread is here since not all of the shows mentioned in the article are sf/f.
 
That sucks because Heroes is such a stupid show. I can't believe that many people watch it.

Prison Break was pretty nonsensical, too. And just like Heroes - the first season was terrific! I'm trying to figure out what it is about certain shows that make them popular with pirates. The writing doesn't seem to have anything to do with it. Heroes, Lost, Prison Break, Desperate Housewives, 24 and Fringe all have subject matter that fosters online arguments, and for at least some of that list, very charismatic actors.
 
Oh gawd ... Prison Break was nonsensical to say the least. I can't really say why people like certain things, but my general rule for entertainment is that quality dies fast and stupid burns eternal.
 
They needed RESEARCH to show a shitload of people are downloading shows illegally???

Maybe next they'll pay for research to show whether Germans love David Hasselhoff.
 
Heh ... I watched the entirety of Lost from season 1-4 online. The difference being, abc wisely put full episodes on their site in High Definition. With my fancy laptop and high-speed internet connection, I saw the whole thing for free ... not counting the three or four 30-second ads I had to "endure" for each episode.

Why more shows don't follow this model, I've no idea. Because once I was caught up, I religiously followed Season 5 on TV. Without the episodes being online, I never would have watched this past season, nor would I be primed for the final season.

-The new advertising model will be created in part by networks starting to take fansites seriously, and yes even that dratted Facebook, as venues for advertising. The online fandom cannot begin and end at their own websites, and ad models need to be far more creative than dumb ad banners. As the article says, about half the downloaders are American, and are getting episodes of American shows early. Why not just wait for the broadcast or TiVO? Because they need to be the first to yak about episodes online, post spoilers, etc. This is social media, and that's how to crack the iceberg. The audience won't generate serious revenue now, because it is still too small. This is investment for the future, to solve a problem that must be solved if network TV doesn't plan to just ride the Titanic all the way to the bottom of the sea.

As a matter of fact, web series are already leading the charge on this front through various platforms such as twitter and facebook. They even target fansites and open direct lines of communication with them. TV, as an industry, just isn't built to react as nimbly to changing online realities. But they would do well to acknowledge the reality that more and more people are going to be watching shows online -- whether they be produced for the TV or specifically for the web.
 
As a matter of fact, web series are already leading the charge on this front through various platforms such as twitter and facebook. They even target fansites and open direct lines of communication with them.
I'm thinking more in terms of ways to get the ad dollars that Nissan, Burger King et al spend uselessly on network TV to be directly applied to social networks/fansites. On TV or online, Heroes is the thing that attracts the ad dollars. That doesn't work so well on TV anymore, so how can it work better online?

I'm not an expert on Facebook by any means but whenever I visit, it looks like the ads are all the same cheesy little boxes on the side that everyone ignores. Yet the cheesy little boxes are the foundation for Facebook's continued existence. Somehow, the ad dollars have got to be introduced into the online ecosystem in a way that people won't just throw up ad blockers against. Otherwise, there's no revenue for growth.

But they would do well to acknowledge the reality that more and more people are going to be watching shows online
And hopefully not just be boring and imitate the TV system, of putting up a could-be-on-TV video ad before the episode starts playing. Plus they need to acknowledge that they are losing massive amounts of potential ad revenue through piracy. Instead of bemoaning that fact, why not glom onto the huge audience that piracy creates and turn piracy into a new revenue stream? That's the kind of creative thinking I'm not seeing (and here I abruptly remember who I'm talking about and just give up this quixotic line of thinking). :D
 
While I don't torrent, I do watch some stuff illegally, but for reasons:

1. It's on pay channel (like HBO)

2. I don't own a TV

3. Because I don't own a TV, I don't buy dVDs. When I own a TV, I will buy DVD's.


But I don't just watch to rip off. Catching all of "Dexter" on YouTube -- a show I had previously scene none of -- has shot the show up to my "Must Have's" list of DVD's when the time comes I get a TV. I also use it as a tool to try out shows I have not seen, or are not airing in re-runs on TV right now. I think studios extremely undereastimate the free pormotion and benefits having some TV series on YouTube brings. YT sold me on Dex, and who knows -- it could sell me on something else.
 
Wow. The rest of the world is really setting the bar low. And they have the nerve to criticize America...
 
I thought it was top gear.
Have seen all of season 1 of heroes and thought it was really good but have not made it past the first episode of series 2 keep meaning to catch up.
 
non american's doesn't bother me that much because it doesn't affect the TV ratings in america. I know the ratings are very good in the UK for the channel is on.
 
That sucks because Heroes is such a stupid show. I can't believe that many people watch it.

Prison Break was pretty nonsensical, too. And just like Heroes - the first season was terrific! I'm trying to figure out what it is about certain shows that make them popular with pirates. The writing doesn't seem to have anything to do with it. Heroes, Lost, Prison Break, Desperate Housewives, 24 and Fringe all have subject matter that fosters online arguments, and for at least some of that list, very charismatic actors.

I think that demonstrates that internet pirates are not a monolithic group, just like everyone else. Although they do tend to skew towards sci fi/fantasy. Back when it was still on the air, the number one pirated show was Enterprise. Heroes has probably taken on that crowd.
 
I'm still kinda fuzzy about what makes it 'illegal'. Not watching it parked on the couch watching it broadcast live? Watching a digital copy of the show? Viewing it on a computer instead of a television? Or is it just having the nerve to watch it without the commercials?

non american's doesn't bother me that much because it doesn't affect the TV ratings in america. I know the ratings are very good in the UK for the channel is on.

Pretty similar to the way I look at it when I get my Doctor Who fix via 'alternate methods'.
 
Really surprised it's Heroes.

Until recently, I used to download one show from TPB (Cold Case - only because it will NEVER come out on DVD due to music rights) and occasionally I would stumble across a Heroes torrent...but while they were big, they weren't any bigger than the LOST torrents I'd see, for example.

Maybe people download it because it's in that category of 'meh'...where people might watch it, but are not willing to pay for the DVD sets to watch it. :lol: I mean, with the shows I love, wild horses couldn't keep me away from purchasing the DVD sets as soon as they are available.
 
Sooooooo.... people are illegally downloading a show that is available on free TV, and can also be watched for free on the network's website. Help me understand this one.
 
^ It's probably people located in other parts of the world that account for most of the downloads.
 
Sooooooo.... people are illegally downloading a show that is available on free TV, and can also be watched for free on the network's website. Help me understand this one.

Easy:
- There are many people outside the USA who watch American tv
and there's usually a significant delay between airing on tv in the US and elsewhere - where I'm from it's at least a year
with the growing together of internet culture worldwide, do you really expect people to wait if the option to watch a show is literally two mouse-clicks away?

- The streams on the networks' websites
a) suck, in quality and convenience and
b) often are not available for non-Americans
so if I have to do something I'm not supposed to (fake my IP) to watch it, what's keeping me from downloading the torrent and watching it in better quality without annoying ads and depending on the internet connection?
 
Let's see...

Heroes is the most downloaded show in the world because it takes so long to air in other markets, if it actually airs at all.

Top Gear is one of the most downloaded shows in the U.S. since it takes so long to air on BBC America, whose website is currently advertising a season that aired in 2005.

Nope, nothing in common there. Nothing that the studios and networks can actually learn from. Nothing AT ALL.
 
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